And you know, much as I hate double posting, the above does not sit well with me at all.
Why must atrocities in China prevent us from discussing abuses in rights in the US? What is your aim in that, other than to shut down discussion? Who is being hypocritical? No one, so far as I can tell, is endorsing what is happening in China. The whole line of argument, then, strikes me as mere obfuscation and whataboutism.
I will rephrase:
People who do show up will be non-peaceful protestors, and can be hugged, tickled, painted purple, or otherwise appropriately treated.
Better?
Ironically enough, that’s one of the things forcing continuing conflict does. I saw what happened to guys in Vietnam who were made to do awful things to the point where they just said NO and refused–some did it covertly by always managing to miss what they were supposed to be aiming at and some did it overtly and ended up being court martialed. Some got themselves hurt just enough to be sent home. Some just walked away while on leave and never came back, some became draft dodgers because they knew they just couldn’t do what would be expected of them in war.
The more times these fucks are forced to see what they’re doing, when they aren’t abusing faceless brown people but people who look like their neighbors and family and friends–or who actually ARE their neighbors and family and friends–and the more social disapproval they get for doing what they do the more likely they are to stand up and refuse their orders. If we all just give in they’re rewarded for their poor behavior and it ramps them up. Make them do the awful things day after day after day after day until everyone in their lives is looking at them like they’re a dog rolling in a pile of maggot infested shit and they’ll have to rethink their career choices.
They have two primary classifications: “toxic chemical” and “riot control agent”. Tear gas is considered a “riot control agent”.
So, it seems like your question to me is essentially: why is it ok to use “riot control agents” on unarmed civilians?
And my answer is:
I trust the geneva convention has more expertise and has analyzed this more than I have, therefore I trust their conclusions (barring any additional or counter information).
A lot of you are about to find out directly what Portland experienced when it comes to Federal interference.
Thank you for pondering my question and for the thoughtful answer.
I remember the days of Vietnam well. My late husband was a Dustoff pilot. I didn’t know him then but he did talk about it after the first Gulf War when the military came back into favor. He was grateful that he always knew why he was there and it wasn’t to shoot people.
Are y’all aware that there are multiple lawsuits against the city because people are getting tear gassed in their own living rooms? None of this activity is happening in a vacuum–people LIVE in this fucking city and tear gas doesn’t just conveniently land only on the naughty people. It gets into people’s houses and makes their living spaces unlivable, people who are quarantining against COVID or are maybe already sick with it are being exposed to fucking toxic chemicals while they’re lying in bed or watching TV. There’s no way to differentiate naughty people who have “showed up” from people who are just, y’know, wandering around living their lives in the city where they reside. Regular people are getting their hearing damaged by constant use of flashbangs and LRADs, and no, not all of them are even protesting when it happens. I think a lot of you are gonna be talking out the other side of your face when Unca Donny’s Shitbag Road Show rolls into YOUR town.
Chicago and Albuquerque…today. Tomorrow…who knows?
That’s not going to sit well.
Good. The more they get their asses handed to them the better.
Here’s an account from a woman who was arrested yesterday. Anyone like to take a stab at justifying this and explaining why it’s OK?
This is a valid argument against the use of tear gas. It’s not the only argument on either side but definitely something to consider.
Broomstick’s argument against it based on the fact that it’s banned from war was not a valid argument because the reason they banned it from war is it’s too difficult for observers to determine if the gas is a toxic chemical or merely a riot control agent.
That opens the door for states to claim that “it was just a riot control agent”, so they banned them to avoid that possible argument, not because they felt riot control agents shouldn’t be used on humans.
…there isn’t a playbook on the “correct way” to combat rising authoritarianism in America. But if I were to hedge my bets on the best way to move forward I wouldn’t place my bet on the side that wants people to “stop protesting.”
Omigosh. Really? Antifa don’t have an HQ?
get-da-fug outa here. I’ve been a signed up member of Antifa since 2013, I signed up at the same time I joined the Social Justice Warriors. And you are just telling me now that they don’t have an HQ? So where have my weekly membership subscriptions been going?
Another thing a lot of people don’t know is that tear gas isn’t actually a gas, it’s a fine powder in suspension. So whatever it gets on becomes nearly unusable, possibly for a good long time. Left your car window open when the feds came by? So sorry about your fucked up upholstery and the fact that you can’t drive your car because you can’t see from tearing up and choking. Too bad you had those towels hanging up on the balcony railing because you’re possibly never going to want to use them again. Ever have to take down draperies and have them laundered? Expensive and a huge PITA, and what if the dry cleaner refuses to touch them because they have tear gas powder all over them? What about your goddamned CARPET? People might be living with tear gas for months no matter how hard they clean and all because cops are a bunch of authoritarian assholes and their bosses are a bunch of wimps who can’t control their employees.
Just an additional point on this:
Did you know that mace and tear gas are essentially the same thing? Lots of people carry mace (legally) to protect themselves from dangerous situations.
And they’re not allowed to use it just because someone is annoying them.
Show me where I can buy huge canisters of the shit to shoot from guns–since they’re the same thing, right?
In other news:
Haha, good luck unringing THAT bell, shitheads. Lie down with pigs, get up smelling like pigshit.
The protests are dishonest and hypocritical at this point. They embody exactly that which they claim they are ‘fighting.’ Illiberal, violent, racist are now synonymous with the radical left. Unfortunately the radical left and their enablers make up too much of academia and mass media.
Unfortunately, the fascist right and their enablers make up entirely too much of the federal government.
Now look, I’m not a fan of that form of arrest. It strikes me as wrong. But I’m not surprised that with as much unrest and destruction that the left has engaged in that won’t ever be prosecuted or even arrested for by local leader that the Federal government is taking over the role.