Female anatomy, mature discussion, but tmi for some

For the most part I have never found my friends to be shy on the topic of their bodies. I’ve seen a lot of my friends with their pants off and even the ones I haven’t, the topic does come up during those bonding talks. At least, they do for me. So I can honestly say that most people do have labia minora to some degree and mostly everyone thinks their own is what’s normal and best.

On the other hand, when I was 20, I had a friend who got really drunk once and we were talking about girly hygiene issues and she told me she had something weird that she thought was an extra part so I made her show me and then it turned out she had asymetrical labia minora. I got annoyed with her for a lot of reasons. One is, didn’t she think if it were something abnormal the doctor or her husband would have said, “say there! what’s this supposed to be?” (Doctors don’t really say things like that.) Second has she never looked at porn in her life? I hope that I bullied her into liking her crotch because that made me depressed that she would have such a sheltered idea of normal or that she would be ashamed.

I have sort of a standard issue crotch. When I see pornos, I guess I think equal times I see women with bigger labias & clits and equal times smaller. I tend to like them bigger, I guess because in my fevered imagination the bigger your clit the more sensation it would give you? I like the whole idea. Also, since when you’re excited your clit gets bigger, I guess seeing a woman with a big clit gives me the idea that she’s really excited so I must be looking at some really exciting sex happening. I like them naturally big though. Those steroid-induced ones are over the top and give me the heebs. Within the bounds of natural, I like big. For reasons unknown, I really like big labia minora on an African American woman. Don’t ask why, I think it seems like a lot of times Black women have lighter coloured pink parts, and nicer skin tone and for whatever reason I think large labia minora look nicer on people with darker skin.

As for what guys prefer, I just assume they are like me and that they like to see some character down there. It’s hard to imagine guys don’t like your parts when the first thing they do when they see them is stick their face in it. Aside from that one ignorant friend, everyone I know thinks their crotch is the standard and anyone different from them is the weird one. I guess it’s true for most women that it’s difficult to feel self-conscious about a body part that gets so much positive attention.

As for people getting their labias reduced for cosmetic reasons, I really feel bad for those women. If it’s getting tangled up in your rollerblade wheels that’s one thing but if you just think you don’t look enough like Playboy that’s crazy. Playboy airbrushes things like that out. If you look at “regular” porn, it’s perfectly normal to have labia minora or a clit that pokes out. The only time mine don’t poke out at all is when I’m not thinking about sex and I’m standing up with my legs closed. Even then, if I open my legs and rub it a bit I can see everything. Nobody ever stands that way in Playboy because Playboy is trying to be softcore. They probably ask the girls to tuck it in if it sticks out!

I saw a surgeon on Howard Stern once who did the labia reduction surgery and when I looked at his website, the before photos were of girls whose labias were big way beyond what you would want to walk around with. Instead of just being puffy towards the front, they were puffy all the way to the back, and long too so that everything gathered up in a dense ruffle that was noticeably puffy even in a bathing suit and tighter pants would pinch them. But I think when people who are within the range of comfortable want to do a thing like that, it’s depressing. You would never see a man go get his testicles lifted, and a guy is always proud of his package no matter how alarmingly mishapen a connoisseur might find it. And I would never kick a guy out of bed for being lopsided and that’s what I said to my friend I mentioned above, that I never met a guy whose balls hung straight or whose penis wasn’t looking off in some other direction when I tried to look it in the eye, but honestly, that stuff is supposed to be ugly!

I don’t know why I had such a vagina monologue in me today. :frowning: I think the tone of the OP is that it’s better to have a hidden clit, as if clits are ugly and nobody wants to see one. Usually I notice that men are actively trying to make that stuff bigger by sucking and pulling on it like they’re on a mission. Also, I am always open about that stuff with my female friends and I would never dream of asking one of my friends if her crotch made her self conscious just because it was different from mine. I also think it’s strange that with the whole internet at our disposal, I’m the only one who has seen a zillion giant clits to the point where I think mine’s too small and I want to go get a pump and some viagra to see what happens. And I’m really surprised to see anyone on this board not know the term “labia minora.”

Somebody should make t-shirts with this printed on it.

That could easily become the next 1920s style death rays.

I wasn’t trying to offend anyone with the OP. I’m geniunely curious. I don’t think one is better than the other, I simply don’t know. It’s natural to wonder what sex is like for someone whose anatomy differs from your own.

I do only have experience with mine, and from comments I’ve received, I know it is pleasurable to men, and of course, to myself. I can’t help but wonder what it’s like for other people. Maybe I’m just too open about asking and that is construed as offensive.

I don’t think any part of the female genetalia is ugly. If I could have posted that link, you guys could have seen what I was referring to. All of the pictures were beautiful, they were just different.

And, having been a part of nudist events, and having been around many different naked women, I’ve had the opportunity to see all types of flowers and the only ones that disgusted me were on disgusting people.

A dancer friend of mine was very self-conscious because she felt her lips looked like roast beeft. Those were her words, not mine. She was a beautiful girl, and that included all of her anatomy. I didn’t like it that she talked about herself like that. Because she seemed insecure, I didn’t want to ask her about it. I didn’t want her to take it the wrong way, but still, I was curious.
P.S.–Anyone who starts “sucking and pulling” on my stuff would get kicked out of the bed. I’m not into guys who are on a mission.

::makes note next to Indygrrl’s name::

I’m afraid not. When your boss or cow-orker glances at your screen, you might not get a chance to say,“This is a very serious discussion about the various sizes of vaginas” before getting sent to the Human Race Horses Department for councelling (or worse.)

Well, I certainly haven’t had lots of experience with woman’s genitalia, but I have seen both large and small. My first serious GF had a, in general, small vulva. Everything about it was small, the outer and inner labia, the clitoral hood, and the clitoris, which was usually not hidden by the hood or labia. As far as sex was concercen, I was able to focus a lot of the clit since it was so easily accessable, and she seemed to enjoy clitoral stimulaton more than vaginal.

Next serious girlfriend was a bit oppisitte. She lad large inner labia that protruded a bit from the outer labia, and a clitoral hood that more than covered her clitoris, which was probably a tad bigger than the first girlfriend’s (never was able to get a side by side comparison, unfortunately, :wink: ). And, keeping with the oppositte theme, she was much happier to be stimulated vaginally than through her clitoris. I have heard (i forget where) one theory on this, and that is that the inner labia, being a bit larger and protruding from the outer labia, get “pulled” on the the penis (or other objoect such as vibrator, dildo, fingers, cucumber, what have you) and that slight pullig sensation in turn gets transferred to either the G sopt or the clit. Don’t know how valid that theory is, though, and having only been with one woman who had large inner labia, I haven’t colected a lot of data. Butm in the interest of science, I am more than willing to work as hard as I need to to collect all the right data.

The phrase “beef curtains” gives the clue that, like curtains, the labia can be easily drawn to the side to facilitate the entry of a penis or other suitable object.

Which IMHO, and I say this in complete seriousness, is something to be thankful for.

The bounds of natural are quite large. Women born with clitoromegaly have clitorises (clitorides? clitorati?) that range from only slightly larger than standard clitoris all the way up to average size for a penis.

A topical and semi-relevant link about labioplasty.

Does this make my labia look fat?

That makes me sad. I can understand why someone would undergo a procedure to remedy problems incurred from multiple childbirths, but to do it because you feel insecure about your genitals just strikes me as sad. I can’t help but wonder if the men in these women’s lives have suggested or asked them to get these procedures.

I’m glad I feel ok about mine. It never occurred to me to feel otherwise.

Yeah. It’s distressing. Here is Carol Queen, one of my favorites, riffing on labioplasty and “rejuvenation”.

http://www.spectator.net/EDPAGES/1137_cq.html link has some suggestive images (no nudity) and some swear words.

There is actually an online vagina test at a site maintained by The Vagina Institute. I won’t post a link because the site contains some NSFW images.

Ok. It appears that the site is a parody (or at least I hope it is). I was unable to locate a contact telephone number to call, and they seem to be selling “memberships” pretty hard.

Snopes