I just saw the latest case…a 40-something female HS teacher was charged with statutory rape of a child…she had parties for her male students, and plied them with alcohol and marijuana. One 19 year old claims he was raped by the woman.
Quite frankly, I don’t see how a woaman can rape an 18 year old boy…by anyway:
-is this a new phenomena?
-are we likely to see more of this?
-are highschools liable for damages in tese cases? I have a feeling there MUST be some money, somewhere.
Anyway, how could any 18 year old buy (presumably horny) ever charge the woman (that he’s had relations with) with rape? Is such a charge likely to be dismissed on general principles?
I await your responses! :dubious:
Just a few hours drive from that case, a 29 year old female teacher was convicted for having sex with her 8th grade 14 year old student.
ralph: Anyway, how could any 18 year old buy (presumably horny) ever charge the woman (that he’s had relations with) with rape?
If he didn’t want to have sex with her, and she forced sexual activities upon him, of course it’s rape. Guys can physically sustain intercourse under some circumstances even if they haven’t freely consented to it, you know. Especially when plied with substances designed to impair their judgement. We’ve had a bunch of threads about rape recently, and IIRC you’ll find some discussions there about what legally constitutes rape.
(Isn’t it kind of sexist to assume that all young men are so desperate for sex that they’ll have it with anybody under any circumstances, as long as she’s female? If I were a guy I’d be kind of offended by that assumption.)
So the defense is “he wanted it”? Can you even imagine the outcry of utter shock and indignation if anyone said that regarding a man allegedly raping a woman? Why the double standard?
It’s not a new phenomenon, although the media attention given to it is a fairly new twist. I doubt it’s any more or less pervasive today than it was 20 or 30 years ago, but the Mary Kay LeTourneau case certainly generated public interest (The only notable difference between her and the other female teachers doing this was that she was strikingly pretty). There’s plenty of local-level media attention when a male teacher gets it on with female students, but there’s nothing particularly surprising or unusual in this, so it doesn’t get national media attention even though it’s actually a much bigger problem.
Are schools on the hook for huge cash payouts? I would hope not, but a dedicated legion of lawyers is assured to put this question to the test.
What I want to know is, where were these female teachers who had sex with their teenage students when I was a teenager? It would’ve saved me a lot of grief.
What phenomena? Adult women having sex with teenagers? I’m sure it’s been going on for thousands and thousands of years. Adult woman teachers having sex with teenaged boy students has probably been going on for as long as there have been adult women teaching teenaged boys. There’s not much in the world of sex that’s new.
However, female teachers sleeping with schoolboys has never been common. It still isn’t. That’s why it makes the national news whenever a case comes to light. When the genders are reversed, it’s generally considered a matter of only local interest.
*Do you mean will it ever happen again, or is it likely to become more common? I’d say the former is a definite “yes”, the latter “probably not”.
*Depending on the circumstances they may be liable.
*Gosh, I dunno. Maybe if she raped him? Is this really a mystery to you?
*That’s a revolting idea, and I hope any judge that suggested such a thing would be sacked.
I’m doubtful 18-yr-old boys are going to claim rape on their own. Other adults – parents – are driving the story.
Ignoring the legal aspects, this seems more seduction than rape.
You’re basing that on what?
I was in high school once.
Oh, I was afraid you were jumping to conclusions. Glad to see you have some solid evidence behind your assertions. :rolleyes:
Not a teacher, FWIW. Not emloyed at all.
I have no problem calling it rape if an adult teacher coerces students to have sex with her or him. A teacher has a duty to not take advantage of his or her students, including even asking for sex. I can certainly see why an adult woman or man would want to have sex with a sexually mature teen, that is one reason we have laws against it. Even if a student wanted to have sex with the teacher, the relative age and authority of the teacher make it an inherently unbalanced situation.
I think that this has been laughed off in the past when the teacher is female. I don’t think it should be.
Now, the fact that she’s not a teacher doesn’t change things much. There is a different power/authority dynamic involved, but she’s still an adult. She provided booze and crank to kids, then took advantage of them sexually. That’s rape.
Aside from the legal aspect of being underage, I don’t see how a female teacher can rape a male teenager unless it involves violence or some kind of blackmail.
Remember the guy that got caught because he was bragging to his friends about it? Yeah, I’m sure that kid is really traumatized over the whole situation…
Remember that there is a rather broad spectrum of behavior between the ideas of forcible assault and complete consensual behavior.
Someone whose capacity to make a rational decision is reduced from the “reasonable man” standard, either permanently (a mentally or emotionally handicapped person) or temporarily (intoxicated, drugged up) is considered not to have consented in a retrospective legal view, regardless of what may have been the circumstances at the time of the behavior. (I.e., getting a “yeah” out of a drunken girl just before she passes out does not constitute informed consent.)
Secondly, and important to cases of this sort, when a person in a role of authority over (an)other(s) has sexual relations with a person he or she is in authority over, whether coercion founded in the authority-role relationship is present is a question that the courts often find important to have answered.
The infamous stereotype of the teenage male to the contrary, most healthy heterosexual males between 13 and 21 are not really anxious to have intercourse with anything possessing a vagina – they want a love relationship with lots of sex in it, and will settle for a love relationship with sex in the future, or non-love sexual relations with a girl who is equally horny, only as second choices when they cannot get into the ideal love-with-sex relationship. A horny 46-year-old woman may not interest a given boy in the slightest.
I suppose gay guys might, but you get a couple beers in them and even they might be willing to screw a woman. :rolleyes: As for the rest of us, well, if you’ve never been a teenaged boy and experienced the all-consuming horniness they deal with daily then maybe you can’t relate. It can be ignored if they find the potential “outlet” unattractive but that can be bypassed with “beer goggles.” It might be difficult to get some guys to drink or take drugs but peer pressure should take care of that.
I, as a former teenaged boy, am not offended when someone suggests most teenaged boys will happily fuck anything on two legs. It’s just an embarassing, but funny, fact of life.
BTW, forcible rape of a male by a female is possible. There was a possibly-apocryphal case that caught my attention (for obvious libidinistic reasons) when I was growing up: a man, in the early stages of recovery from abdominal surgery, who incautiously stopped for two women, who turned out to be escapees from a women’s prison, and who proceeded to gratify themselves sexually by forcing him to lie supine, causing an erection, and then one “riding” him while the other held a knife pointed at him to force him to lie still and take it. It made the news because their activities injured the recent surgical wound, plus the “man bites dog” newsworthiness of women raping a man. Forty years back, I cannot vouch for whether the story was in a reliable source or not, but it’s worth reporting. It’s called the erectile reflex because it is reflexive.
Absolutely. Of course it’s possible for a woman to rape a man. That’s why I object to those who are saying it’s categorically impossible. Having an erection doesn’t disprove rape. We just had another thread about rape where someone mentioned that female rape victims sometimes have orgasms, and how it’s a physical reaction, and doesn’t disprove rape.
Remember the incident awhile ago where a gay male police officer, at a party, was physically restrained, and a prostitute performed fellatio on him? That was absolutely without his consent. I’m not sure about legal definitions here, but I think it’s sexual assault if it’s only oral sex. But it’s certainly not a stretch to see how rape could occur as well.
I don’t know the facts of the case mentioned in the OP - it may turn out that it wasn’t rape. But you can’t just assume that because a man was the victim, that it wasn’t.
I share your outrage.