Re: all these older teachers and young boy cases

Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share
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Speaking strictly from the secular side of myself, I am always perplexed when I see these “psycho therapists” go on these TV programs to discuss the most recent case involving some teenage boy being sexually “taken advantage of” by good-looking ladies in authoritative roles, such as teachers.

Always these well-meaning women sit there (on said shows) and go into this moaning about the “horrible damage” these lusty ladies cause their “victims.” LOL. They sound like fools!

You never once hear any of the “experts” say that for some smart, good-looking babe to make a man out of a boy can be a HIGHLY positive thing, as it does wonders for a young buck’s selfhood – validating him for his entire life as being a desirable person! (You’d be amazed at how many dudes are walking around as seriously damaged people due to getting the message a million times from our culture that women are way up on a pedestal … and are too pure to be touched unless you’ve got a million dollars to peel out for them.)

Maybe it’s just me, but I know that when I was very young, I wanted nothing more than to you-know-what with a mature babe! For some guys I suppose it might be possible to do horrible psychological damage that would cause them to, I don’t know, maybe flip out into some kind of mental illness that would cause them to become vegetables or serial killers as a result. But I doubt it.

Please don’t ask me about young girls and older (pervert) guys, because that’s not the same thing. Boys and girls are much different in that way.

But, again, why on earth don’t these so-called mental health experts at least make a mention about the possible good aspects of these young bucks being turned into men due to these ladies doing with them what’s been going on since the dawn of time (before the girlymen and their “refined” women hijacked everyone’s ability to reason by bludgeoning everyone with shame and guilt)? Why do they always have to put on this act of having a sad face and acting like they don’t know that every (honest) person’s laughing at them behind their goody-two-shoe backs?

Come on, let’s keep it real!!

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You’re putting the pussy on a pedestal.
(I had to say it)

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They don’t say that because it’s politically incorrect, and if they said it someone would sue them and they would end up having to go to re-programming camp and apologize for slavery, the holocaust, and the Mexican border. That’s how it works in the good old U S of A.

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I’ve never understood this. Growing up, I was told over and over again how girls mature faster than boys. So why shouldn’t we be cheering on the young girls banging an older guy?

Also, since you’re all rah-rah for boys scoring with older people, and being made a “man” how do you feel about it when your 14-year-old “scores” with his older male gym teacher, for instance?

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I think the biggest damage, in these situations, is done to:

  1. The community’s trust in other adults
  2. The teacher’s reputation.

There’s seriously something wrong with any grown woman who will sleep with a 14-year-old boy. It’s way beyond the bounds of appropriateness, and it’s just as creepy as a grown man who tries to fulfill his desires with 14-year-old girls. There’s an unequal power dynamic going on that can be very harmful, if not to an individual boy (and yes, it is possible to harm a young boy this way), then to a community. No one wants to think that trusted adults (teachers, coaches, etc.) are going to abuse the power we give them by putting our kids in their custody for periods of time. It’s a pretty scary thought, and I’m not even a parent.

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Oh please, don’t mangle my post this soon. It’s disgusting the things you ask.

I’m ONLY interested in the issue involving all of these Cougars prowling for young, male prey, and how some people in the media go out of their way to put an asinine spin on it. It’s topical because it’s in the news so much.

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What’s the difference? A case could certainly be made that the laws regarding over 18/under 18 are draconian, arbitrary, and unreasonable, but the genders of the people involved have nothing to do with it.

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Cougars? A lot of these teachers are under 30. Hardly who they’re calling “Cougars” these days.

I think you’re confusing the “teacher sex scandal” news stories with the news stories about guys in their 20s dating women in their late thirties and forties. They’re two different phenomena, in my book. And one is being given a positive spin, the other a negative one. Could you maybe show me what you’re talking about? I’ve never seen the term “Cougar” come up in a teacher sex scandal story, myself.

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I can’t speak for anyone else, just myself. And honestly, if one is out to gauge any damage that adults do to young people, I can think of many more things that (to me) seem far worse than a smart, mature, gorgeous babe showing a young guy what he has to look forward to in the future (providing his president doesn’t send him off to war at 18 so as to come back in a body bag).

Smoking in the presence of a growing child is a horrible thing to do, as it causes lung damage. Feeding a child the notion that people of other races are inferior is a horrible thing to do. Sitting a child in front of a TV to be baby sat is a horrible thing to do. Screaming at a child is very wrong.

The list is endless. But I guess that’s what makes horse racing (to borrow a quote from Larry King).

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You post such strange things, GuyNBlueJeans. Let me try to answer as best I can.

From the PC/psychologist side of things:

As a society and nation, we arbitrarily decide that people below a specific age are not capable of consenting to the sexual act. If someone below this age, regardless of gender, is brought into a sexual act by an adult, they are being abused. They are not mature enough to understand the consequences of the act or deal with the complications that may arise.

Now maybe Boy A over here can totally handle a bit of Hide the Salami with his hottie History teacher, but we don’t have the wherewithal to quiz each child and then stamp them with “legally ready for sex”. Moreover, the adult involved is usually in a position of authority over the student. Any reluctance on the student’s part - perhaps he has religious beliefs that preclude sex before marriage, maybe he Just Doesn’t Want To - means that the adult can coerce the child into sex. That’s rape.

Also, it’s a mistake to say that boys are never harmed by inappropriate sexual relationships. Sure, a lot of men like to say that they’d have loved to have been taken over by an experienced woman when they were that young, but the fantasy is almost never like the reality. The women who seduce boys are acting in complete contravention of the law, their ethical obligations as teachers, and their responsibilities as adults. They are using these boys, and in doing so, completely screwing up the boys’ understanding of how healthy sexual relationships work. They aren’t “initiating” boys into the joys of sex. They aren’t turning boys into men. They are predators, plain and simple.

The non-PC argument:

Dude, have you seen the pictures of these women? Maybe one in five could qualify for hottie. Usually, they’re eye-bleach fodder. Ugly, dumpy, nasty women who can only get sex by messing with some poor kid who has no idea what’s going on. In some cases, they prey on boys who are mentally retarded, because it’s easier. They don’t go for the studly young thing. They go for the confused, the frightened, the weak, and easily manipulated.

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Sometimes certain matters aren’t well suited for the constraints of the reasoning mind. And Methinks this is one of them. It’s really a gut thing, I suppose.

As a heterosexual guy, with my psychological make up being what it is, I can’t offer you an argument to crumble your point anymore than I can think of reasons why any sane guy would want to have sex with another dude. Just the idea of it makes me not feel so well, I can’t even begin to grasp the concept of it.

And so I can only say that it’s not the same thing, mature men having sex with young girls. Sorry. Not much in the way of logic, but that’s the best I can do. (Maybe some smarter people than me will jump in here and explain it.)

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If this is true, then why didn’t any of them ever go for me? (Please don’t say it’s because I was never handsome.)

To me it seems strange that we totally saturate our society with sexual images and then throw up our hands and say, “Now, now, let’s all pretend that these young boys that have been supercharged by Madison Avenue and Hollywood, as well as the natural sperms being cranked out of their gonads and into their blood streams 24/7, should never be entertained by lusty babes. Because, according to the “experts,” it would do some real damage if they experienced pleasure at that level.”

I don’t know, maybe you’re right. And yet I gotta wonder how many 14-yr-old boys out there googled Dr. Laura’s nude pics and jacked thinking about her getting it on with them? I’d bet that their world didn’t implode as a result.

It’s true that some of those ladies aren’t centerfolds. But I’m just talking here about those that could be, not those you speak of. There are a lot of fine lines in all of this.

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And your posts lately are proof of that.

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What makes you think young boys always want to have sex with anything available? I know that’s the stereotype, but I don’t buy it. Sure there may be exceptions, but I bet the majority of young boys would MUCH rather be involved with young girls their own age, but these teachers create a situation where that can’t happen. These boys almost can’t says no, because of the power imbalance in the relationship, and the idea that boys “always want it” (which is very harmful, I think). It is harmful. Maybe not every time, but we don’t makes the laws based on the exceptions.

And your reluctance to accept young women with older men, or young boys with older men proves this. Can’t you see how the young boy being pursued by an older woman might feel exactly the same as the young girl, or the young man being pursued by an older man? There are plenty of kids who could enjoy those situations too, but that doesn’t make it right across the board. And it certainly doesn’t make up for the fact that an adult who seeks out sexual relationships with kids is twisted. Your fantasy is just that, a fantasy.

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So it’s okay if a hot teacher bangs a student, but not okay if an ugly one does it?

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Please don’t read my posts anymore. Thanks.

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Correct. I know that sounds shallow, but that’s how I see it.

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Yeah, because peoples’ character always correlates directly with how good-looking they are. :rolleyes:

Or am I reading you wrong? You’re saying here, I think, that “hotness” makes some kind of a difference in how wrong or right your actions are? Tell me if that’s not what you’re saying.

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No, I think that’s exactly what he’s saying.

See here:

Notice how every time he refers to a woman he’s specifically referencing those who are ‘hot’, ‘babes’, ‘centerfolds’, ‘gorgeous’, or ‘lusty’. It’s okay if a ‘hot babe’ has sex with a 14 year old, but not if a non-hot woman has sex with a 14 year old.

And it’s not okay if an older guy has sex with any 14 year old, male or female, even if he’s the hottest guy to ever walk the planet.

So, what I’m getting here, is that, in the case of sex, your sex and hotness matter.

Females may have sex with males 14 and under, if the female is hot. 14 year old males may have sex with a female of any age above X(14? 18?), but only if said female is hot. Further, males may not have sex with any female under the age of Y(18?) unless they are also under Y. (though this last condition is something I’m guessing). Males may not have sex with other males who are 14 and under. Females may not have sex with other females 14 and under (maybe?, would be consistant with the male one, but maybe this takes ‘hotness’ into account?).

The problems with that position are so huge that I’m not sure it’s even worth arguing.

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Actually, I suspect the OP’s position is one I kinda expected coming in here. It’s pretty common: I want to have sex with hot chicks. If I want to have sex with hot chicks then it follows everyone should want to have sex with hot chicks.

I could be wrong, and maybe the OP will come back and let me know, but I’m guessing he doesn’t have nearly the problem with an underage girl having sex with a hot of-age chick, than he has with the other scenarios, because again, who wouldn’t want to have sex with a hot chick?