Fence & Property Line Etiquette/Legal Opinions Wanted

In My Humble Opinion
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State: Tennessee
You can just skip to the actual issue part if you want, but I provided an accurate backstory for anyone that may think it plays a factor.

Brief Message:
I have been looking at a lot of threads on SD for a long time now and always enjoyed reading both the questions and the answers given. Most of the time it seems the threads are pretty full of reasonable people that just want their neighbors to be reasonable too. So, since I have plenty of issues with neighbors myself I figured I would check for opinions on here.

Backstory:
Back in 2015 there were three unsold homes right beside each other and built by the same person. My wife and I bought the one that had the most land (this yard is .6 acre vs the other two being a combined .6 or maybe a bit less) even though the yard needed a ton of work. We knew we wanted a fence around the perimeter of the yard and planned on bringing it in a few feet to allow us to do maintenance on it and to make sure none of the neighbors could try and claim it in anyway. We even planned on putting a border right at our side of the property line to help make discourage any attempts at the neighbors claiming the fence or our yard.
(Two neighbors that border us already had old chain link fence that is falling over and was installed 6 - 8 inches on their property. However there was an occupied home, an empty field, and the unsold house next door that all did not have any fences.)

My dad and brother came and put up a 6 ft wooden privacy fence between our home and the unsold home next door (they also brought that fence to meet the front side of our home and put a potion of fencing on the other side of our home with plans that my wife and I would eventually pay someone to finish fencing in our entire yard one day). This fence was built so that the point of it closest to the font of the house is approximately 18 inches from the property line bordering the neighbor and the end of the fence is approximately 26 inches away from the property line. My wife put down green metal border right at our side of the property line and put down lava rocks between the line and fence, and even about 6 inches onto the inside of our fence.

Well, in 2016 a middle aged couple moved into the house next door with two medium to large sized dogs They make more money than I do (I am retired for all intents and purposes due to health issues that happened while in the Army) and can waste it however they want, but they approached me soon after they moved in saying that they wanted to put up a fence but could not afford to. They even asked if I would let them use my fence if the put up a fence. I told them now, that I specifically put the fence back and put border there to protect my property and interests. There is the same old broken chain link fence running behind them that I have running behind me, so if they talked to those neighbors, they would save money there.

They got quotes but decided it was too expensive and eventually the third house was sold and that person put up a 6 ft tall wood fence that was about 8 inches inside of their property line. This made my immediate neighbor go back to wanting a fence and got money from their parents to put one up. They got permission from the other neighbors to use their fences, but I still would not give them my permission. Even though I told them that they could not use my fence or land, when they got quotes the second time they were telling the fence companies to go ahead and build to our fence…but thankfully none of them did and the one company that they ended up going with did come over to my home and tell me what had happened. So, they put up 6 ft privacy fencing in the font area (following setback rules of course) and then put 4 ft chain link about 4 inches into their property line that borders me.

I have always maintained all of my yard despite my disabilities and all the extra care it takes me. I would go down my rock bed at my fence and spray it would weed and grass killer each month and the neighbor had told me that I could spray their fence line to help keep it maintained and not to worry about over spray. I did that until one day they came over cussing and yelling at me because they were mad that there was some overs spray that went a bit more into their yard in a few places and they were worried that their dogs would eat it. They were really mad because they had concrete work done that was done wrong and they wanted someone to take their anger out on. I was nice and did not raise my voice at them until they kept yelling and such at me during the conversation, saying how they would sue me and I need to pay them this and that. I simply told them I was doing exactly what they said I could do and that is they can maintain it themselves from now on (and that included both sides of their fence line). And that they need to get the copies of the damage I did to their property, send me a certified letter of it and then likely take me to court because I literally did what we previously had agreed on.

This neighbor litters the street and my yard with fireworks every holiday that allows them. They were consistently blocking part of my driveway for a while until I finally got them to quit. When they had the concrete work done, the people that did the work left concrete sludge in front of our driveway that got on our car and required us to spend time and money cleaning the car, our driveway, and street so it would not cause permanent damage.

They have been inconsiderate in many other ways despite being told about it. They have even placed stuff so that it leaned into my yard at my fence so I could not get through my own path/yard. Since they took it upon themselves to start blowing their grass clippings and trash from their yard into my rock bed along my fence, I removed the rocks and will be replacing the border with capstone.

Since they would not maintain my side of their chain link fence, which is their yard, I reported them to the city code enforcement. Code came out and made them weed whack it. But because the neighbor would not keep it cut, I have had to report them a few more times. When I saw them have a pink slip from code on their door I assumed it was from their failure to weed whack still and I went ahead and put a no trespassing sign on my yard at my fence that would have to be stepped over if they attempted to trespass down my property to weed whack. I did this because I don’t want them on my property because I don’t like them for how they are (even though they keep claiming to be nice people and such), I don’t want liability, I don’t want them damaging my property (mainly my fence) since they can’t fit through there well anyway, and I don’t want them ever being able to claim any sort of adverse possession or easement rights against me.

They confronted me about the no trespassing sign…surprisingly not cussing me out this time or yelling…just raised voices…and I told them that they would need to reach over the fence to cut there grass because I don’t want the liability, my fence damaged, or anything else going on. They told me that they would always ask before going into my yard because they don’t want to trespass, but at the same time said that they have went through my yard in between the fences before when I was gone so they could cut the area. The guy that said he did the weed whacking morbidly obese and I have enough problem fitting through that area and staying on my side of the property without leaning against my fence…so I would have to assume that he could barely squeeze through the space and just leaned against my fence as hard as he could to fit through there. He did end up weed whacking by reaching over his fence in the end. Long story short, they tried to make me feel bad about not letting them use my yard as a work area…and I kinda felt bad…but stuck to my instincts due to previous issues and mitigating issues in the future.

Summary:
Inconsiderate neighbor wants to use my yard (which he can’t really fit in the space of) to maintain his few inches of yard between the property line and his fence. I won’t give permission due to various reasons such as how the neighbor has acted, the lack of space in that area for someone that obese, not wanting my fence damaged, and don’t want neighbor to be able to make any claims of easements or adverse possession in the future.

I could write up a document about waving liability and such, but that aside, neighbor has not been actually good…just acts nice when they want something, so I have nothing to gain, and just extra headache if I let them use my property.

I could maintain his few inches at his chain link fence, but due to issues with neighbor I don’t want to risk any more issues or liability. Even something waving me of liability means that I would have to use my time, energy, money, etc to deal with someone else’s property. And considering I had permission to do things before that they got angry about, I wont’ touch their property.

Questions/Concerns:
I just wanted the input of people that preferably read this whole long story. The legal and neighborly opinions.

I am pretty curious of how many think that I should just risk him damaging my fence by leaning against it over time and be prepared to take a loss of $2,000 because it is hard to prove that an obese person pushing against a fence every week for half an hour actually weakened it over time. And I am also curious to know how many think I should chance making an agreement with them to maintain their property after they have done so much crap to me, including getting pissed that I did something we agreed to and was for their sole benefit.

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Wow - LONG OP, but I think the issue involves this one fence and this one neighbor. I have a similar issue (tho I am in IL), and my opinion/experience is that there is no great answer.

My suggestion is that you give up any expectation of how the outside of your fence is maintained, and instead, figure out how to keep things the best you can from your side. I think you probably hurt yourself by putting your fence where you did - would have been better if it were only a couple of inches inside the line, or several feet inside.

I’m not sure what regular maintenance should be needed outside your fence. If you put your fence nearer the property line, I assume the local laws would have allowed you to go on your neighbor’s property to replace boards or such, but an unpleasant neighbor could make that unpleasant. Also, if you put your fence 6" inside the line, your neighbor can put up a fence 6" on HIS side, creating a foot-wide “no-man’s land.” But at least the fatty wouldn’t be damaging your fence by trying to squeeze in there.

If you really think he is stressing your fence, I’d suggest a security camera to document his actions. Realistically, I’d suggest you move your fence closer to the property line, giving up any interest on the grass/weeds on the outside of the fence, installing some sort of weed-deterrent edging, and trying to keep things the best ou can from your side.

Sorry there isn’t a better option.

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Short Response:
Thanks for the response Dinsdale. I guess I put the fence in the best place possible to be able to maintain it and my strip of yard, while still keeping my interior yard as large as possible. In the future I would like to put cameras and signs along the fence and my yard to capture any issues of trespassing, damaging, etc…but after looking into it last year, it is just too much to spend for now. I guess fatty neighbor will just need to figure out how to spray grass/weed killer through his fence or reaching over the fence to weed whack because he built his own no man’s land. I am home 99% of the time, so I will just have to try and pay attention if he attempts to trespass in the future. Even though it seems like he is starting to understand that I have told him no…and the sign is there…sadly that side of my house has no windows so it is a pain to check out. I will have to research, but maybe one or two wireless or SD card domed cameras or something and just take a chance of someone messing with them.

Long Response:
Thanks for the response. As far as I know for my local area, the laws were originally written (well, stolen from somewhere else) as though they planned on people putting fences right on the property line. The fence companies have wised up that doing that is trespassing and even with permission from both homeowners they will not do it because they don’t want to get involved in any legal issues down the road. The only time a fence is remotely on the property line is when a subdivision is built and the builder might have his crew or a fence company put fencing around all the yards.

I understand that I could have put the fence out more but…as you said, an unpleasant neighbor can make that a pain…and then I would have to worry more about them trying to use it. Actually before they put up their chain link fence, their dogs would constantly piss on my fence in the same spot and rotted out one of the boards some, so keeping it about where it is helps a lot. And, like most people I did not want to put it any further into my yard because I lose valuable yard. I know my size and even larger people can get through there to fix my fence…as long as they are not morbidly obese.

I always hated the no man’s land between fences, and it seems like the neighbor created his own no man’s land in between the property line and his fencing.

The rock bed I had there was a great weed deterrent itself for 99% of the strip because it was a deep enough amount of rock and a lot of rain water would flow through there. But since the neighbor kept shooting grass clippings and trash into it once they got a riding mower this summer, it destroyed my rock bed. I do plan on putting cinder block caps to replace my current border which will make it easier to walk on and less for me to weed whack on my side at least.

I told me wife about wanting to hook up no trespassing/you are under surveillance signs & some security cameras on the fence (even though I hate having stuff hooked to it) but due to costs that is nowhere near happening. I think for the most part the neighbor is started to get that I do not want him there and thankfully I am home 99% of the time so if he attempts to walk through there I should be able to catch him.

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I appreciate the background and summary. WAY too many people think every little detail is relevant and can’t let go of the irrelevant stuff. I see you’ve got enough perspective to realize that the history of the property and the concrete on the car, etc, are not really relevant to the issue of the fence and no man’s land.

Unfortunately, I don’t think either you or your neighbor come off particularly great in this story. Plus, since the story is coming from your perspective, I am sure your side would look much worse if your neighbor was reciting this tale.

Obviously some blame DOES fall on your neighbor. He should be responsible for maintaining his own yard, he wasn’t responsible with his dogs, profanity and yelling aren’t neighborly activities, grass clippings onto your lawn, etc. However, from your side, I get the impression you gave as good as you got when he got mad at you, I have a strong suspicion that when you “happened to get some grass killer on his side after he gave me permission”, what really happened was the neighbor thought you might get an inch or two over and you murdered a foot of his lawn instead, and then you called code enforcement multiple time for some long grass… on the other side of a privacy fence that presumably you can’t even see?

If you aren’t willing to put up cameras, I would just let it go unless your fence is actually being damaged.

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Interesting that you moved your fence inside the property lines. In many locales you must allow a neighbor to attach their fence to yours, but I’m pretty sure that assumes the fence is on the property line. What you have done is create a patch of land between your property and theirs that is your responsibility to maintain. They may go ahead and mow that little piece of property for you if they don’t put up a new fence on the property line, but if they do then it’s your responsibility to take care of that, and if you’re overspraying weed killer onto their lawn then you owe them.

I don’t want to sound too critical here, but I think you aren’t being a good neighbor. You have a privacy fence, you should have put it on the property line in the first place. You created this quandary, now you have to worry about adverse use of your property outside the fence, and you have annoyed the neighbors for what seems to me to be a petty reason.

Perhaps you can compromise somehow, attach a stub to your fence that the neighbors can attach to, and maybe they can put up some small fence on the property line to clearly demarcate the property line and keep them from using your little piece of property without spending a lot on a tall solid fence, they could just use some cheap wire fencing for that purpose.

But again, I don’t want to be too critical, I don’t like my neighbors, I’ve had enough of dealing with property line issues over the years, I do understand what you were thinking, I’m just questioning if it was worth it in this case.

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You just have to figure out what is best for you in the long run. Fence-boundary issues w/ an unpleasant neighbor really suck. You aren’t going to get any perfect resolution from the laws or local officials.

Here’s my situation. I have an issue with my neighbor to the N. No issues to the E or S. We had the entire yard fenced to the back of our house for our dog. We put in a nice, expensive stone path along the N side of our house. Our houses are maybe 15’ apart.

The problem was that the neighbors installed some brick work which limited access to their backyard on the other side of their house, so they had workmen accessing their yard exclusively between our 2 houses - including driving bobcats over our path (which is a good 2’ inside the line.) So we put up a 6’ fence to the front of our house, 6" within the line.

City came out during installation, and allowed our installers over the line to install. Supposedly neighbors have obligation to weedwhip up to the fence - but they seem to have stopped even mowing it. They put up wireless cameras, so we don’t go on that side.

Crazy thing they installed a big stone planter in front, which blocks access between our homes. When we had the survey done, it was clear that more of the space was ours than theirs. So they really screwed themselves. We just have to weedwhip can control weeds as best we can from our side. We’ll see what we can do about maintenance when/if the need arises.

I wish we had better relations with them. On the other sides, neither we nor our neighbors care if either they or we go/come over to maintain the fence line. Lousy neighbors make for imperfect solutions. Best of luck.

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It seems to me you created this problem by being obsessive about a few feet of property. If you expect your neighbor to maintain a tiny strip of grass, you should make it easier for him to do it. Instead you spend your energy thinking about how fat and rich he is and how you can keep his toes off your property line.

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Acsenray, I maintained the area myself as we agreed on previously with grass/weed killer. I also maintained it by weed whacking while I waited for the neighbor to do a better job of maintaining it themselves…but they opted not to. If I continued to weed whack it, there is a very high chance the neighbor would say I damaged their property…so I won’t.

The point of bring up the neighbor makes me money than me (they are not rich) is that they had other options regarding their property but opted for cheaper ones such as trying to claim my land by asking and then telling the fencing companies to take it anyway. That they could have spent money on concreting their strip to prevent weed/grass growth, or done something else with their extra resources.

The point of bringing up someone being fatter is that they can’t fit in the space. When a space is built for someone of normal weight, it simply doesn’t make sense to tell a much fatter or larger person to squeeze through it. Which lends more to one of the reasons I don’t want them going through there.

And as I said above and in my OP, I had tried various things, but was met with issues…even despite being given the okay to do it. So, it boils down to they won’t let me do anything but at the same time they want to come onto my property do that even though they don’t even fit there without stressing my fencing.

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What’s the deal with fences 6" or a foot back from the property line? Is that required? Why not put it right on the property line?

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Crispy - I sympathize with you, but I agree that you don’t come off sounding perfect. You could have done any number of different things. Adverse possession/easement is essentially BS - all you needed to do is give your neighbor permission, and he would never have gotten title. He could have gone right up to your fence, and you could have asked him to maintain the property and/or let you access to do what you want. The standard practice is to cantilever a partial section, so there is no additional post on your property. Or you could have allowed him to join up to your post.

If you’d done that, you wouldn’t have had to worry about him squeezing in.

You sound a little anal about what you expect from this couple of feet of rocks outside of your fence. You’ve got the rocks out there. Is it too difficult to be more circumspect about spraying poison? Ot less demanding about how weedfree some rocks outside of your privacy fence remain?

Wireless cameras are quite reasonable (~$35). Tell your neighbor (via letter) that you don’t want him on your rocks or touching your fence. And involve the local government, saying your sole concern is that your neighbor stay off of and not damage your property. That is language they will be familiar and sympathetic with.

You say you could maintain his property, but for whatever reason, you don’t want to. Your choice. Is that making you happy?

All in all, it seems like you are pretty vested in making this a pretty significant element of your daily existence - being the fence-Nazi. That’s not the way I would choose to exist.

The amount of detail you provided suggests you are much more invested in this than simply this one property issue. I suggest you acknowledge that, and try to identify some solution to ease your mind overall. Or, you can continue as is and keep getting pissed over pretty minor BS. Your choice.

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Usually the reasoning is that fence construction isn’t a precise science, so you leave yourself a little wiggle room in case the surveyor/fence installer/whoever made an error.

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@Tripolar
I don’t have to worry about adverse possession of my fence thankfully for putting it into my yard as I did. Which means neighbors can’t hook anything to it, lean stuff against it, etc. I was definitely not going to pay money for a fence for my neighbors to enjoy for free…especially since there are usually so many people that have issues with neighbors destroying fences like that and effectively screwing over the one that paid for it.

In my city I only have to maintain my yard, which I do. Yes, that includes my yard between my fence and the property line. Which is why I put up a border right at my side of the property line to help show the line permanently and make it easier for me to maintain.

Since the neighbor put their chain link fence 4" or so into their yard, which is fine. My city requires them to maintain their 4" of space. I understand the point that you make regarding the over spray. The issue with that is the neighbor honestly thought I was spraying way into their yard and I was not. They were not cutting their grass often enough combined with not cleaning up after their dogs, so that when they did cut the grass there were a lot of dead spots throughout their entire yard. And it seems like the area around all the chain link along their side and back yard ended up heating up from the sun and burning grass.

They may go ahead and mow that little piece of property for you if they don’t put up a new fence on the property line, but if they do then it’s your responsibility to take care of that, and if you’re overspraying weed killer onto their lawn then you owe them.

I understand everything you were saying but I think that being a good neighbor is taking care of your stuff and that you have to plan out what you are doing so you can take care of your stuff. Rather than building stuff and letting them access to my property, I think they could move their fence over and access that area themselves or concrete in their strip.

I personally just want the neighbors (all of the ones around me) to just maintain their property and leave us alone. We are not social people, and don’t want to deal with issues which is why we put our fence closer in and put borders around our yard to properly show our property lines. We did not even mind neighbors stepping into our yard for a foot or two to fix something on their property if they needed to. But the neighbors took that as free reign to walk all into my yard, throw down trash, dump their buckets of grass clippings, etc wherever they wanted in my yard…so we put a stop to that.

I guess the only real option is to leave signs up and put out cameras.

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I can see the grass from the street because of how tall it gets and how it falls over towards my fence. I maintain my entire yard and due to my disability that means I need to take a longer time to do yard work…so when I weed whack that area it takes me about 20 minutes or so since I like to be careful not to damage my fence and have to pick up the trash that the neighbor blows into my yard there. The grass of course makes a bit of a tripping hazard, but I get through it okay enough.

I did not get any grass killer other than the perimeter of the fence on that side as we agreed to. Between fence burn due to chain link and sunlight, lots of dog urine, and poor mowing jobs there were a lot of dead grass around that side of the chain link, the chain link that the neighbors behind them are letting them use (not sure if they got permission for it) and other spots all over their yard. After they complained to me about it, I went out there the next day when the sun was out and recorded all of the areas they have dead stuff and you can clearly see a difference between the grass killer spots and the other types of damage. And yes, I stayed on my property and used the camera zoom since they only have a 4 ft chain link…so no laws were broken in my area.

I will have to look into putting up just a couple of wireless or sd card style domed cameras I guess, even if they are cheaper and chance them working out and not being damaged or whatnot to just get an idea of everything. Thanks.

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This I think is the crux of the issue. You have completely crapped all over any chance of having a good relationship with your neighbor over a four inch wide piece of turf that you can’t even see from your side of the fence. That is not the action of a good neighbor, that’s the action of a crotchedly old person that nobody wants to be friends with.

I’ve lived next to neighbors that did not take good care of their yard. I have one now that sorta kinda thinks about it but half-finishes and leaves his tools everywhere. I could call code enforcement on him (or on my previous neighbors when I lived at my old house). I never did, because honestly as long as my neighbors aren’t parking a rusted out car frame on their front lawn it’s not worth saying anything to them. That they had some long grass on the far side of your privacy fence was not hurting you. But you decided to hurt them over the issue.

You have many options that aren’t antagonizing your neighbors over 4" of turf. The first one I would pick is baking your neighbor a pie and apologizing for past actions (as much as you talk about how overweight your neighbor is I imagine they like pie. On second thought, maybe potted herbs would be better since you keep mentioning their weight is a derogatory manner)

I think the best option would be to ignore that side of the fence from now on. I’d probably take the signs down too, especially if you’re so concerned with appearances because I’ve never seen a No Trespassing sign that made me think “wow, that really brings the yard together!”.

We are being somewhat harsh here, but the reason is out of kindness. I don’t think you’re stupid, I just think you’ve gotten too worked up over a very minor issue and have blown in out of proportion. The problem is that you came here asking for advice, but I think you were really came here looking for vindication. When myself and other pointed out that you’d had some bad actions too, you’ve doubled down on being right instead of re-evaluating.

I agree with the comment upthread: do you really want to get a reputation as “the fence-nazi”?

EDIT: I started typing before your comment directed at me. I’m sure you think you were totally in the right, but you need to let it go man. Who cares what you can see from the street? What can you see from your front porch? Not the neighbor’s lawn if you have a 6’ privacy fence. Drop the idea of the cameras and just let it go.

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I was not looking for vindication. I did not sugarcoat anything. I literally only stated facts of what my neighbor has done, what we had agreed on but they ended up not liking (but only complained about it after they were pissed about other stuff), and what is the way our area handles things.

Sure vindication is great, and I honestly figured what responses I would be given and they are not any harsher than I thought I would get. Honestly, I was waiting for the super troll to bust on here and say I should do some super crazy stuff. But that is why I posted on SD vs yahoo troll boards or reddit troll boards.

Since I don’t mind being the fence-nazi, I guess that is what I will be. My wife and I have talked about it so much since we will not give up any of our property to anyone. And even if we had a written document saying I would be able to weed whack my neighbors 4 inches of land without being liable for anything, they would still end up flipping out eventually. I don’t know if I put it in my OP, but the neighbors have played the be nice and talkative game quite a few times with us when they wanted something such as use of tools, parking, stepping into our yard to work on theirs, but a few days after that they go back to talking trash about us in their yard or to the neighbors which we hear outside because they are so loud. And they go right back to trashing our yard. So, even niceness on the short term would only end up being short term with us not gaining anything in the end…not even a bit of peace because knowing the neighbor would complain any random night (they always opt to rush over complaining to us at 8 pm when we are sitting down for dinner).

Yes, they are minor issues to others, but since I have to spend a couple hours per week picking up trash from this neighbor and their visitors (this is the amount of trash that mostly ends up in my front yard with just a bit in the side of fence area), which for someone with my disabilities is not easy and is painful requiring recovery of hours. Then having issues using my own driveway, which should never be an issue. Issues of being yelled, cussed at, and talked down to randomly. And the list goes on. Yes those are first world problems, and yes they are minor to some. A mosquito is a minor issue, but a bunch of them buzzing in your ears and biting you randomly for months can get old.

I got a few opinions of what I could do, but I guess the best one is the cameras. I understand what was said about signs not looking great, and we plan on spending money on good looking ones…but even then we won’t have to stare at them or anything all the time. The neighbors will mostly get to enjoy them just as they have gotten to enjoy looking at the landscaping we have done. If they don’t like looking at the signs, then I would suggest they spend their money to put up a 6 ft privacy fence.

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Your adverse use problem isn’t the fence, it’s that little strip of land you left on the neighbor’s side of the fence. I don’t think they can make a valid claim to that bit of land but it can certainly cause trouble.

Also, when you put up a fence like that your neighbors do get to enjoy it for free. They have to look at their side of the fence, you don’t. You can’t do just anything you want to that side of the fence because it affects the enjoyment of their property. How that applies varies by jurisdiction, in many locations you would be required to have the good side of a fence facing the neighbors property if you used something like stockade fencing. You might not be allowed to paint that side of the fence just any color you want either.

Anyway, you created this problem, it would have been so much easier to just put the fence on the property line and allow your neighbors to attach to it. You’re entitled to do what you’ve done but so far your neighbors haven’t acted unreasonably.

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Okay, everyone, thanks for the input. I guess we will be looking into wireless or sd card dome cameras to mount on the fence and some signs. We will just try some cheap cameras first to see how well they work out and go from there.

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What on earth are you looking for? If the fence is damaged on the neighbor’s side it will be their responsibility whether or not you have pictures. You don’t have a trespassing claim if they touch your fence or the little bit of land, that would be laughable.

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Jurisdictions vary. Some require/allow placement right on the line.

I am only familiar w/ having put up several fences in the Chicago area. My discussions w/ installers indicates that 4-6" inside the line is because ALL MATERIALS have to be on the installer’s property. The concrete-filled posthole extends at least a few inches beyond the post. You are not allowed to install concrete over the property line.

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You should move.