You do realize that that case is just a pure “cop turns into an armed robber” case, right?
What Steophan was asking was a conviction of a cop or murder in a “line of duty” shooting - that is, when a “police shooting” is judged to be a murder.
He was on duty when he shot the woman and the blood got in the police car. I’ll keep looking for a cite for cop convicted of something more in the line of what happened in Ferguson. Trouble is, you have to find a jury willing to convict a cop which is hard to do.
C’mon, there’s even a Wiki category.
I’m still on the fence with regards to this being a good shoot, but reading the above quote my first thought was how does the cop know the suspect doesn’t also have training?
In my hometown some years ago, a drunken college wrestler took a cop down and had him in a choke hold in only a few seconds. IIRC, it was Halloween and he gave up after other cops jumped on him and he finally realized the first guy wasn’t just fucking with him while wearing a costume (I think that was part of his lawyer’s later explanation).
Point being, you can’t tell what training a guy may have just by looking at him. Again IIRC, the wrestler was easily under 200 lbs and the cop heavier. The cop went from standing in front of a drunk guy to on the ground and being choked before he could react.
Notice that not one of the people in that category were convicted of a “police shooting” kind of thing. Nothing like Ferguson at all. Weird that not one such conviction can be found, isn’t it?
If you’re going to passive-aggressively insist on something exactly like Ferguson, well, there’s only one such case, isn’t there?
There are cases.
Obviously they represent unusual instances, as opposed to a common occurrence, but they certainly exist.
One example is the 1992 death of the unfortunately-named Malice Green. On November 5, 1992, Detroit police officers Walter Budzyn and Larry Nevers were on patrol when they saw a car with bullet holes in it pull up in front of a known drug location. During their attempts to detain the occupant of the car, Mr. Green, the officers ordered him to open his hand, which had grabbed something from the glove compartment. Witnesses testified that the officers hit Green on the head repeatedly with their maglites, even though he was offering no resistance. The officers contended that he was hit only once or twice.
Green suffered a seizure on scene and died.
Budzyn and Nevers were charged with second-degree murder. Both were convicted. On appeal, they complained that during the trial, the jury had viewed the film “Malcolm X,” and had discussed outside evidence about the case. The appellate court agreed that as to Budzyn, the evidence was not strong and the chance existed that the jury was unfairly influenced. As to Nevers, the appellate court found that the evidence of guilt was so strong that the film and extrinsic evidence amounted to harmless error.
Nevers’ murder conviction was upheld; Budzyn was retried and convicted of manslaughter.
Instances of shootings which were found unjustified are not unicorns. It takes two seconds to find one.
And yes, it is weird that they don’t go to jail for it. Maybe someone should complain on the internet that our culture is fucked up with regard to police shootings.
How about something even remotely related?
If you reserve the right to define “related”, after the fact, there’s no point bothering with you.
Grow the fuck up.
I grew up under Thatcher, was first diagnosed with mental illness a few years after she left office, and have watched how we’ve improved the treatment - both mine and that of others - over the last 20 years. Even under Thatcher (of whom I’m not a fan, to put it mildly), there was better treatment for those who couldn’t pay than in the US currently.
Show me one case from that Wiki page that YOU consider “related”.
There is no reason to hope for you to discuss *any *case in the manner of a responsible adult, is there?
Evasion, evasion, evasion.
Something such as Bricker’s link, which was cops on duty in the last 50 years, would be a start. Many of the Wikipedia entries, on a quick scan, don’t seem to be that.
But, even if we count all of them, we have a tiny amount of cases which, when investigate, turn out to be murder. Now, obviously, even one is too many, but as it turns out the majority of police shootings turn out to be justified, and those that don’t fall short of murder.
There is no epidemic of police murders, of young black men or of anyone else.
I take it you’ve never heard of Fred Hampton? He was murdered by Chicago police & the FBI.
Frank James Coppola was a cop convicted of murdering a woman in her home.
Michael J. Corbitt was convicted of helping his mob friends murder people.
Richard Crafts was a constable who was convicted of murdering his wife.
Louis Eppolito and Stephen Caracappa were NYC cops who were convicted of “labor racketeering, extortion, narcotics, illegal gambling, obstruction of justice, eight counts of murder and conspiracy to commit murder, charges stemming from the 1980s and the early 1990s in New York, and in the 2000s in Las Vegas. Both were sentenced to life in federal prison.”
Last year, Officer Randall Kerrick shot and killed Jon Ferrell, who was unarmed and injured from a recent car accident, for no reason. His own department investigated and has said publicly that Kerrick had no lawful reason to discharge his firearm and he was indicted by a grand jury in January of this year. His trial date has not yet been set for some reason.
A full picture of how many people are killed by police is not available, as for some reason, no government entity keeps track of such things and in fact, many police departments deliberately suppress the information. Cite and cite. But the notion that the police do not kill people illegally cannot be supported by the facts.
Why not try? At worst you can prove yourself right. At best, someone - possibly myself - could learn something.
So, you have one murder committed by the police whilst on duty, and that 45 years ago.
There is no epidemic of US policemen murdering people.
Your other cites are irrelevant, or an unfinished investigation, or complaints that information about legitimate police operations isn’t being released. The last is probably the most ridiculous, I can only imagine that you don’t want the police to be able to do their job properly, but instead must run every action past internet commentators…
OK, here’s a Google dump for you. Take your pick.
No, not weird at all. There just generally aren’t convictions in cases like that.
Hence the riots.