I agree with this.
I disagree. Hate speech is when you lump a bunch of people and make disparaging and hateful statements about them. Dehumanize them. Its a step in the process of committing violence against them.
This is interesting. Would you say “Men are pigs!” is hate speech?
Seems like we have a lot in common. However, maybe we should both give it a rest before people start to talk about us getting a room. What do you say?
I didn’t lump. No lumping. It could not have been any more specifically targeted.
*** scratches “Get a room with QuickSilver” off of my end-of-quarantine bucket list.
<phew>
The point of slinging slurs at other people (not say slamming your hand in the car door)are to make a comment personally demeaning and vulgar. Regardless of context saying punt that motherfucking cunt back to that son of a bitch, whore son coxksucker?
Is that an honest expression of emotion when I the heat of a verbal exchange? Find better words to express yourself.
I find this truly insulting. This is an obvious statement that gender slurs are not taken as seriously as racial slurs. Why?
The two most offensive misogynistic slurs are somehow not as bad as “harpy”? One must have context for these two slurs because reasons.
I cringe and/or wince whenever these two words are used in any context because they are used so casually without thought as to how they will be received. They are hate words. Period.
Drop the n word into ANY conversation (in ANY context) and it’s like a bomb being dropped. These two hate words get not even a double take.
There seems to be this excuse that comes up often: these two words have very common usage so we can’t just ban words that are commonly used. I’d like to remind people that the n word was very commonly used once upon a time until people started recognizing how awful it was and started monitoring the use of it. Why is this any different? Why aren’t we doing this? Because it’s still okay by and large to degrade women. It’s just not that important because it’s about women. Part of the problem is that these two words ARE so casually and commonly used. If we don’t bother to call it out they will continue to be casually and commonly used.
It really makes it obvious misogyny is just not as important as other kinds of bigotry on the SDMB.
What are some other words that ought to be removed from the common english lexicon for fear they may offend someone in some way?
Just the hate words. Until they are no longer commonly used. Like the we did with all of these:
Jap
Kike
Chink
Injun
Nigger
Spic
Beaner
Spear chucker
rag head
kraut
I could go on.
Don’t forget faggot and dike.
I messed up my edit
The “for fear they may offend someone in some way” phrase has a real edge of contempt in it. I hope you don’t mean it that way.
The disdain and even outrage manifested by those who find it infuriating that their freedom to disparage whole classes of people who are less privileged than they are may be infringed, is so exhaustingly widespread that I may have misinterpreted here.
The “for fear they may offend someone in some way” phrase has a real edge of contempt in it. I hope you don’t mean it that way.
The disdain and even outrage manifested by those who find it infuriating that their freedom to disparage whole classes of people who are less privileged than they are may be infringed, is so exhaustingly widespread that I may have misinterpreted here.
@Modesty Blaise - No argument at all with regards to the words you listed. I didn’t think it would need to be said that those are clearly terms that should never be used to disparage others. I thought we were talking about more commonly used swear words. I realize many of the cuss words commonly used are gender based. I’ll spare everyone the grouped list. That’s what I thought we were talking about. Which of those words, in addition to the two in the OP, would you recommend removing from common use?
@Ufreida - I hope I’ve clarified my earlier statement.
Well, you just quoted the reason, but to recapitulate, I don’t think those words are collective insults the way racial slurs are.
No, they’re definitely worse than “harpy,” but the question I’m answering is specific to the Pit’s rules, which are very different around what is and is not acceptable language than in other forums.
Right, and I try to moderate based on contemporary social standards on how these words are used. I don’t try to moderate to create new social standards on how they’re used.
I think it’s more that not everyone has the same ideas about what constitutes “obvious misogyny.”
When determining what the majority opinion is as to what constitutes “obvious misogyny”, do you factor in that the vast majority here are of the male persuasion?
As if all women have the same opinion about what is misogynistic.
I’m not using the SDMB as the metric for that determination, I’m using the opinions of women I know in real life about how problematic those words are.
I did not say or even imply that.