Even if vegetarians are lighter than meat eaters, that doesn’t prove anything. They probably are also more likely to have other healthy habits than the general population, and if more vegetarians are women than men, that would skew the average as well.
Like jonpluc said, cite?
Cheeses do indeed have lactose. Hard aged cheeses usually have very low lactose, though. Softer cheeses will generally be higher.
Any glucose needed by the body (the eye also requires glucose) can easily be synthesized by the body. Physiologically speaking, the body can survive forever without a single gram of carbohydrates - not true with either protein or fat.
Vitamin and fibre supplements are an integral part of the diet.
Sigh Yet more people dissing the diet from a position of ignorance. By all means do some research and then diss it on salient points - but just chucking out that sort of cobblers backs up all the criticisms I have of the diet’s critics.
Then why is it not listed on the nutritional information? Lactose is a sugar. Cheese has no sugar in it and doesn’t even list it as ~1. (0 sugar, 0 carbs) Milk lists it, yogurt lists it, why not cheese?
Probably becuase it is a small enough amount per serving (> 1 g per 1 oz ) that it isn’t required by law to be listed. But there is enough lactose in there that people who are very lactose intolerant may not be able to handle many cheeses.
http://www.indiadiets.com/diets/Eat%20to%20beat%20illness/Lactose_intolerance.htm
"American pasteurized processed cheese
1.5 oz.
0-6 [grams lactose]
Ricotta cheese
4 oz. (1/2 cup)
0-6 [grams lactose]
Velveeta cheese
1.5 oz.
4 [grams lactose]
Cottage cheese
4 oz. (1/2 cup)
0-4 [grams lactose]
Hard cheese (most)
1.5 oz.
1 [grams lactose]
Cream cheese
1.5 oz.
0-1 [grams lactose]"
http://www.fcs.okstate.edu/food/nutrition/health/allergies/lactose_cont-handout.htm
“American cheese food, 1 oz. 2.4 [grams lactose]
Blue, 1 oz. 0.7 [grams lactose]
Brie, 1 oz. 0.7 [grams lactose]
Cheddar, 1 oz. 0.7 [grams lactose]
Colby, 1 oz. 0.7 [grams lactose]
Cottage cheese, creamed 1/2 c. 2.4 [grams lactose]
low fat 1/2 c. 3.6 [grams lactose]
dry curd 1/2 c. 0.8 [grams lactose]
Edam, 1 oz. 0.3 [grams lactose]
Feta, 1 oz. 0.7 [grams lactose]
Gouda, 1 oz. 0.3 to 0.6 [grams lactose]
Mozzarella, 1 oz. 0.3 to 0.6 [grams lactose]
Muenster, 1 oz. 0.1 [grams lactose]
Parmesan, 1 oz. 0.9 [grams lactose]
Provolone, 1 oz. 0 [grams lactose]
Ricotta, 1 oz. 0.4 to 1 [grams lactose]
Romano, 1 oz. 0 [grams lactose]
Roquefort, 1 oz. 0 [grams lactose]
Swiss, 1 oz. 1.7 [grams lactose]”
Well that is kind of misleading of them, why are stricter guidelines not enforced?
Well, less than one gram per serving is generally considered small enough not to worry about. If it is more than one gram it is listed. Since no one is attempting to remove ALL carbs from their diet (and it would be very difficult to do so due to the same sort of trace carbs that you see in cheeses), the only reason less than one gram of lactose in most cheeses might be significant is if you are lactose-intolerant. But even then the amount of lactose is slight enought that many lactose intolerant people can eat many of the cheeses without ill effects.
(for example, if a 1oz serving of cheese is 150 calories, and it contains half a gram of lactose, that means 2 of the 150 calories is from carb. Not a very significant amount, proportionally)
I’ve forgotten who said what (and don’t feel like looking back through tons of posts), but I just wanted to say that ANY diet that requires you to take lots of supplements (fiber, vitamins, protein, minerals, etc.) is innately flawed. God didn’t make imperfect bodies and we should be eating as nature intended. Anything manmade is usually junk…hate to say it, but it’s usually true.
There was a reason why the Atkins Diet failed after it first appeared in the 1970s. Remember that…
I hope you’re investing in organic meats, fish, poultry, eggs, and dairy, because those of you who are on the Atkins Diet are injesting a heck of a lot of hormones, drugs, pesticides, etc. that are fed to, injected into, or absorbed by the animals in today’s factory farms.
Look, I’m glad that people are working hard to lose weight and I certainly understand the angst many people have gone through in their battle with weight, but the high protein, high cholesterol, low carb way is just not the way to a lifetime of vibrant health. Personally, I want to look as awesome as Marilu Henner looks at over 50 years of age. Now SHE is doing something right…and, yes…she used to battle her weight. Glowing with vitality is the real goal here.
In Light,
Atheria
IYO IOW.
Well, if you really wanna look at nature’s intent…agriculture and cooking are not particularly natural. Pre-agriculture, the human diet was meat, nuts, fruit, and vegetables. No grains, no dairy, nothing that required cooking or other processing in order to be eaten.
Exactly. Eating carbs in any great quantity makes me fat, bloated, and physically miserable. The diet that makes ME glow with vitality is protein, fat, and low-carb, hi-fiber vegetables.
Different strokes.
Oh, and I agree with you about factory farming and hormone/antibiotic injected animals, but that’s a different discussion.
Oh, and just a casual note: there’s no disease that I’m aware of that is caused by a high-protein/fat low-carb diet and cured by the reverse. But there is diabetes. That should tell ya something about what diets are more “natural”
I’m on Atkins, and it works for me. I’ve lost weight, and my energy level is wonderful.
I also missed the sweets, until I found a wonderful low carb recipe for fudge.
One package sugar free chocolate pudding
Four tablespoons of peanut butter
half a cup of cream.
Melt the peanut butter, then stir in the pudding and cream. Add whatever sweetener floats your boat.
Pour into an oiled dish and cool until set.
Cut into squares. Yum yum yum.
I also put sweetener and flavored cream in my coffee. I figure the tiny bit of sugar in the cream isn’t going to put me over the top.
I eat at Atkins breakfast, lunch, and generally dinner. On the weekends I eat what I want. I also found snacking on nuts like peanuts or macadamia nuts help fill me up during the day.
I’m no expert on diabetes, but I’d like to see some support for this claim.
So you are not really into this debate, and this is a random fly by statement? I question your comment about your god supposedly making perfect bodies, as I know the human body is far from perfect. But that would digress.
I agree about the man-made comment wholeheartedly. Pasta, bread, and almost all grains are man-made. I don’t know too many people that pick the little seeds off wheat plants and munch on them, do you?
I also mentioned that a low carb diet does not bar a person from eating vegetables. Celery, lettuce, spinach, broccoli, etc, are all very good for you and extremely high in fiber and nutrients. No suppliments needed, your argument is flawed.
No, I don’t remember, care to provide a cite? And no, biased media such as Vegetarianism or veganorbust.com do not count.
Immaterial, the pasta you eat is grown from wheat that is sprayed with pesticides, the apple and oranges you ingest also do. The lettuce you eat is soaked in it, nearly. Your point is?
Oh, she doesn’t have plastic surgery or facelifts, etc ever… :rolleyes:
There are just as many “vibrant” and healthful people in this world that eat low carbs are there are vegetarians that live off Carbs. I would be willing to place money on more low carbers living longer and being healthier. Look at my previous link as to why I would be willing to put money where my mouth is. Or is scrolling up that far too hard?
If you eat healthy and stay fit, and are willing to spend thousands on beauty suppliments, plastic surgery, skin cremes and make-up, then you too can look good and vibrant at 50+. You don’t have to be a high carb eater to do so.
I, and I am sure many others in this thread, would love to see some citations on your claims. You see, on this thread if you state something, you better be willing to back it up with proof, or at least evidence, your word means nothing.
Well, this doctor sort of cures his diabetes patients with diet alone: http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/14/insulin.htm
Sorry if my repeating of this link gets on peoples nerves, as I have posted it on many occasions. However it has never been debunked that I know of, and they are doctors. (osteopathic, yet still doctors)
It seems nobody ever reads my links. Why is this?
I mean on this board. 
I didn’t see that you had posted that earlier. He has intriguing ideas. I need to do more reading on this subject.
I think it might be because I hyperlink them and they get skimmed over. 
Not true. They’re not an “integral” part at all. Dr. Atkins recommends suppliments to anyone, on any diet - just because it’s pretty much a painless way to make sure you’re not lacking in some vitamin or mineral, just in case.
He does not say that suppliments are necesary to be healthy on his diet, at all. He recommends them to everyone, on his diet, or not, just because it’s a pretty good idea.
In any case, you can, with some variety, easily cover all of the vitamins and minerals you need on a low carb diet.