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I find this to be true. Most of the people I am related to ( conservates) hate the president with the passion of a thousand suns. They disliked Clinton but they hate Obama. Why? Ask about individual parts of the ACA and they like that.What don’t they like? Oh you know that other stuff. Taking 600 million away from my Medicare, making me lose my doctors and it’s going to cost me more money in taxes and raise the price of everything.
So they are not sure what ACA does, but it is bad because they heard it in the echo chamber so it must be true. A nice white boy wouldn’t want to send grandma to a death panel.
I wish we could discuss it on its merits instead of the distortions and outright lies that have been told about the ACA. Is the law perfect? No far from it. But it’s a start and an improvement. The US has the worst medical system dollar for dollar than most other developed countries. We spend a higher percentage of our GDP and yet our people are sicker and less healthy. We need to get profit out of medicine. A healthy populace is good for productivity and national security, yet republicans seem to place illness as a moral failing,much like being poor or jobless.
So do I, but NPR doesn’t want that, so they run stories to push the idea that opposition to the ACA is based on racism.
And I don’t think it took any balls to leave the line in - that was the whole point of the story. Throw that in there, and nobody is going to hear anything else.
The ACA is a rather large debacle. NPR is sending out the signal not to debate that - the idea to push is
If you don’t want us to think that racism is the reason why people hate Obama, then you have to tell us what the reason actually is. I’ve yet to hear that from any conservative.
Not everyone who hates Obama is racist. Some would hate any other Democrat, as we’ll see when President Hillary Clinton is sworn in.
It is possible to oppose the ACA for rational reasons, but few do. A lot of it is “socialism!” “Death Panels!” and “Government takeover of healthcare!” If you can point to a specific feature of the law and say how you’d modify it to improve it, I can respect that. What I can’t respect is the lockstep unified opposition to it simply because it is associated with Obama when essentially it is the same as the Republican alternative to Hillarycare from 1993.
That being said, much of the anti-Obama rhetoric is race-based. There was never any demand for the “long form” birth certificate for a white president. Executive orders from white presidents were never the sign of the End Times, but they are when Obama, who has used them less than any president in modern times, uses them. Never before in history has the opposition party met on Inauguration Day to vow inflexible opposition to everything the new president wants to do. If you think race has nothing to do with it, I think you’re fooling yourself.
Oh, come now. You’re talking about the guys who didn’t hold Sarah Palin’s gender against her. I’m sure they’ll criticize President Hillary solely on her job performance.
So you claim that no conservative has ever mentioned any reason other than racism for opposing Obama? Not only do I not believe you, I am having a hard time believing that you believe you.
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The weird shit you people buy, and expect me to fall for.
Well, no other believable reason, because not only I do not believe them when they say “Socialist!” or “Muslim!” or even “Gun-grabber!” for that matter, I am having a hard time believing that they believe them.
Well, isn’t that the problem? The point is that the resistance to Obama and his policies is no more based on a belief that he is a Muslim or a secret socialist than it is on racism. Those are all things that the hard-line fanatics seize on because it is easier than dealing with the fact that it is possible to disagree with whatever the Dems come up with in good faith.
As I said, that is the point of the NPR story, the point of this thread, and the point of much though not all the rhetoric of the SDMB. It is easier to simply yell “Racist!” than actually deal with disagreement in good faith, and the charge is so inflammatory that the race-baiters can get away with it.
It’s easy to argue with the nutcases. Pretending that everyone on the other side is a nutcase is where things start to break down.
I do not claim that no conservative has ever mentioned such a reason. I claim that no conservative has ever told me what it is. And I note that you haven’t provided such a reason, either.
There’s not always a lot of CHOICE if you want a social life. I’m a native Georgian, and people in my family have learned not to say the “n” word around me, but I know damn well it’s not because their views have changed. I still hang with my family and talk to them regularly, because they are in many respects good people, but damn … racism is hard to get rid of, apparently.
I’ll agree straight out. At the root of all the negative obstructionism of Obama for both terms is the simply matter of being racists. What is the big surprise?
I definitely think it’s ridiculous to say that the only reason people oppose Obama is racism, or that all people who oppose Obama are racist. Of course it’s possible to oppose a politician because their stances and actions are not in line with your political positions.
BUT.
There are people who go beyond opposing Obama, or even disliking Obama, who have an incredibly strong, visceral hatred for Obama that is evident in what they say/write about him (or actions towards him if they’re actual politicians), with a lack of basic respect for him as a person or even the office itself. THESE opponents? I absolutely believe racism is part of their opposition. But note that I don’t think this is every Obama hater/opponent, nor do I think racism is the only reason (or even necessarily the main reason) for their opposition.