Starting with Dorner himself, of course.
Certainly they aren’t good justifications. My point is that depending on the circumstances (those I outlined, along with the fact that this guy was delibrately targeting the police), almost anybody put in that situation would have opened fire.
There is a world of difference between punching someone and putting a bullet in their head.
dude, the police should use deadly force only as a last resort. responsible gun owners, especially the police of all people, are not supposed to shoot blind.
I don’t think you’ve made a reasonable or accurate assessment of what “almost anybody” would do, no matter whether it was “early morning” or some other time of day.
Opening fire on a vehicle without knowing who is inside of it and without being in clear danger from said vehicle or it’s occupant(s) is inexcusably irresponsible, reckless, egregious behavior that deserves scorn, derision and a finding of criminal and civil culpability.
This is thin end of the wedgies I tells ya,
When they outlaw all Blue Nissan Titans then only the bad guys will have them and then where will we be
If this were the Pit, I’d have used more colorful invective. Feel better?
In 2009 when Maurice Clemmons went on a cop-killing spree in Washington State, the call came in while Seattle police were at the funeral of an officer who’d also been shot by a cop-targeting killer. You’d expect them to be on a hair trigger. But nobody in a similar vehicle was shot, and Clemmons was not executed but was killed by a cop who followed every policy procedure when dealing with an armed suspect.
Maybe the cops in SoCal are a bunch of cowboys.
holy shit
As far as whether his firing was justified, this link http://edition.cnn.com/2013/02/07/us/lapd-attacks-dorner/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 says he waited weeks to file a complaint and multiple eye witnesses contradicted his story.
It says, in part, “The delay in reporting the alleged misconduct coupled with the witness’ statements irreparably destroy Dorner’s credibility, and bring into question his suitability for continued employment as a police officer”.
Never punched anybody-words seem to do the job for me.
No; the day of reckoning has not come to the LAPD.
Nor has Dorner done anything other than to reinforce their prejudices and given any white racists on the force one more reason to dismiss blacks.
There will be no assumption here by any overseeing bodies that the LAPD was somehow responsible for a crazy guy who is so marginally competent mentally that he thinks killing this couple, makes a statement about white racism in the LAPD.
The guy is so stupid he can’t even pick a target that at least reflects the general demographic of the group he feels injured him. He’s so cowardly he can’t confront anyone head on. He’s so mentally incompetent he can’t take his grievance through a civil channel.
And he’s so crazy he can’t think straight.
Clyde Barrow had a BAR.
I’ve punched people. Sometimes I’ve regretted it, other times not so much.
He’s waging asymmetric warfare. And winning so far.
I find your analysis overly simplistic. I believe I made a factual statement above. Now on to my opinion:
Can he come out of this alive to live a prosper and peaceful life? No. Should he? No. Can he attain his strategic objectives? Yes, maybe.
I do think his death will be a necessary and just outcome of his murderous rampage.
Is it business as usual for the LAPD? Yes indeed. Casualties are to be expected when you hide criminals behind the blue wall of silence.
The women claim that there was no warning; that the police just started shooting. Of course this can easily be shown or disproved using the police dashboard camera. (Unless it failed at an inopportune moment, wasn’t turned on at all, or the recording gets lost somewhere. Hey, it happens.) Let’s assume the women are correct, and that there were no warnings or no chances to surrender and that the police just opened fire.
Legally, would that not be attempted murder by the LAPD officers? Even if the suspect had been in the truck, their actions (again, assuming no warning was given) are a clear indication of intent. They did not intend to arrest the suspect, but intended to execute him. So when they shot these women, shouldn’t that result in an attempted murder charge? Also, since they were attempting to kill a suspect instead of arrest him, did they not violate the 5th Amendment and violate the women’s civil rights?
I’m sure there is a law protecting policemen from such charges, making it a police matter.
This doesn’t surprise me. :rolleyes: I checked twitter and the hashtags are real. So far its not a really big thing. Yet. But it will gain support with time.
http://www.scpr.org/blogs/news/2013/02/08/12476/lapd-manhunt-some-cheer-on-fugitive-christopher-do/
Merging two topics about this subject.