Flash: new TV show (boxed spoilers)

We differ only on many/most. A good portion of Batman’s activities fall into the real/possible/not impossible.

I say “many” due mainly to the fact he’s been around so long. I agree most of his stuff falls into the “technically possible but…” category.

My personal handwave is that his power operates via an inertial reduction field. It extends very slightly in front of him at all times, stretches to cover anything he’s carrying, and trails in a small wake behind him. He does cause turbulence, but because the air he displaces is in a reduced-inertia state, it has relatively little effect on his surroundings.

Extending that handwave into the gesticulations of a mad conductor, it can also be taken to explain other things. The inertial reduction makes chemical processes in his nervous system operate faster, but doesn’t accelerate some of the electrical aspects of nerve impulses by as much, so his reflexes fall a tiny bit behind his overall speed. He’s also probably dealing with some measure of sensory distortion and disorientation. No matter how fast he’s going, he’s like a slightly clumsy guy moving at top speed, which is why he gets tripped and such occasionally.

Of course, it has plenty of other implications, too, which I’ll leave as an exercise for anyone who really, really cares about comic-book physics. :smiley:

(Note that I haven’t watched any of the show under discussion, so I don’t know if anything in it contradicts this. I’m just picking and choosing from various other versions of the Flash.)

Several things bothered me:

[ol]
[li]The Flash states that he is running 372 miles an hour in one scene- You can still see something moving that fast even if it’s on the ground[/li][li]Too many people know that he’s The Flash - A “secret identity” only “works” when it’s, you know…an actual secret.[/li][li]If the father was suspected of being the murderer…wouldn’t they have needed some evidence? Or a motive?[/li][/ol]

Average CW series that will hopefully get better.

Well, that’s a disturbing thought. Or was it another Barry Allen love interest that was killed by Zoom? I forget who killed Iris.

I am okay with Comic book physics. Even Batman and other “powerless” characters make use of it. I am pretty sure just swinging from building to building the way Batman does would dislocate a person’s shoulders more often than not.

I am also okay with Comic Book economics. Like how a villain will be able to build a secret lair underneath Gotham City (or Central City in this case) with all kinds of advanced equipment. You just can’t tell these kind of stories without it.

Of course, if Barry really wants to get his father out of prison, he could bust him out in a literal heartbeat.

They turn the Wests black and you use Barry’s hair as your darkening example? :stuck_out_tongue:

I thought it was fun. The episodes are starting off jam packed, but I think once they get enough information out they can settle down and have less going on in each episode and it will be more engaging.

They changed the Flash character from what I am used to a little bit, but I think the change really works well for episodic television. (I know him primarily from the very good Justice League animated show from a few years ago.)

Great actors in pretty much all of the roles. It’s fun to see Tom Cavanagh in a non snack related role. Grant Gustin is perfect for this version of Flash/Barry Allen.

I have a small nerdy quibble dealing with Arrow and Flash. I’ll spoiler box it to hide my nerdy shame.

I’ve been catching up on Arrow on Netflix. I’m about midway through the second season. I’d already seen the Flash pilot when I got to the episode that has Barry visiting Arrow and the team. I was thrilled when the episode ends with the actions from the Flash pilot and figured they did a clever job of cutting out the Felicity portion to make a new show, without having too much of another show. I figured that the pilot happened right after this episode. But, rewatching the first episode of Flash showed me that they didn’t stick to that very closely, Felicity’s phone call was entirely cut out without possibility of it being there. I would have liked it a lot more if they made the two scenes exactly the same - just skip opening the door and show him in his office after he hung up. It would have been as easy as that! I like when two shows are very obviously in the same universe, and I was pretty excited when I thought they planned that far ahead, so it was slightly disappointing to figure that out. Of course, they did have Barry to see Arrow in a roof (with no explanation if you hadn’t seen Arrow. Which was kind of dumb. But, not so dumb if I had been caught up to Arrow.) I’ll get over that, and enjoy any crossovers they have in the future. And, then I will just be disappointed that the movie Flash is being played by someone else.

(I told you it was a nerdy quibble.)

No, it was indeed

Professor Zoom that killed Iris. She got better.

Yes, that was a great series. One of my closest friend’s Brother directed it.

“non snack related role”???:confused: I remember him from Scrubs.

He does a podcast with Michael Ian Black called Mike and Tom Eat Snacks or “MATES”. They use the PER system (pick a snack, eat a snack, rate a snack).

They’ve changed him more than you think. >_> The JL(U) Flash was Wally West (Iris’s nephew*), the Flash Flash is Barry Allen.

  • I wonder if David or Rudy (her brothers - Rudy is Wally’s dad, David is…the brother I mentioned earlier) will appear in this universe… Hell, make Rudy a couple years older than Iris, and Wally could appear, even, although he’d have to be kinda wee.

GuanoLad answered the question much better than I could have!

Wow! Kamino Neko, that was an embarrassing mistake! Thanks for letting me know. Does the Peter Parker-like nature of the CW’s Barry Allen Flash match up to his portrayal in the comic books at all?

He’s younger here, than he usually is (he’s usually pretty established in his job), but other than that, I’d say, yes, it’s a pretty accurate Barry, in feeling, if not in specifics - he’s generally an earnest hero, and a bit of a nerd (I really want him to start spouting Flash Facts), both of which come out pretty well in the series, I think.

I can look this up. But, it’s fun to ask.

So, the 1990s series was Barry Allen, too, right? Since, from what I remember he had a similar origin story and job. And checking Wikipedia I see that it was.
Would I be correct in assuming that Barry Allen is the most popular version of all the Flashes?

One of the things I remember from the JL animated series was that Wally was a bit of a playboy. Is that something that differentiated him and Barry Allen? (Really, I feel dumb about not realizing it was a different Flash. I mean his name is said aloud in one of the funniest bits of that show ever. Youtube Link: Secret Identity) (Man that show was fun.)

I was about to say ‘no, that was Wally’, then I realized you meant the live action TV series, where, yes, that was Barry. >_> (Man, I forgot all about that thing…it was kind of fun…)

Asking which is the most popular version of a legacy character is pretty much asking for flamewars, honestly (though Flash fans are less prone to it than, say, Green Lantern fans*) - Barry seems to be the most popular among creators. Among fans…depends when they started reading.

Sort of…I wouldn’t call comics!Wally a playboy, really, but he had more girlfriends (and less serious romantic interests) than Barry, who’s had a grand total of 3 romantic interests in his entire history, IIRC. (Iris West, Fiona Webb, and Patty Spivot (his current girlfriend in the comics**).) He eventually married his main girlfriend, Linda Park, I think in the late 90s/early 2000s.

Wally is (or was**) differentiated mainly by being goofier and not connected to the police, nor a scientist (…well, he did go to work for the cops for a while, but that didn’t last, and he was a mechanic, IIRC).

  • Religious fanatics are less likely to get into flamewars about whose guy is better than Green Lantern fans. >_>

** I’m actually a few issues behind, so it’s possible he’s moved on from Patty to Iris (probably not, but it’s possible) and I only know that a version of Wally exists in current continuity, I can’t really say anything on his personality.

The guy who played the Flash in the 90s series (John Wesley Shipp) now plays his Dad in this new series. The woman who played his love interest in that original series (Amanda Pays) is also returning to the new series as the same character, Dr Tina McGee.

I don’t know if that’s just inside joke acknowledgement, or some kind of deliberate continuity timeline thing.

Hah, didn’t notice that. Cute.

And almost certainly just an in-joke. DC/WB loves that kind of mythology gag. (See also: Kirk Alyn and Noel Neill as Lois’s parents in the 1978 Superman movie.)

Reportedly Adam West was asked to play Bruce Wayne’s dad in one of the Batman films (Keaton’s) and refused.