I thought that, in Season 1, Future Barry preventing S1-Barry from saving his mom was all the acknowledgement of Flashpoint that we were going to get. Now it looks like we’re actually going to see some version of Flashpoint in Season 3. Plus we got Crisis on Infinite Earths and Black Flash. And we got see the real Jay Garrick behind the iron mask, with John Wesley Shipp getting to don a Flash suit again.
My husband explained Flashpoint to me: If Barry indeed goes through with saving his mother, the superheroes as we know them now will cease to exist. They’ll still be there mind you, but not in the incarnations as we’ve always known them.
Also thought it was interesting re a commercial that Supergirl is moving to the CW next season. That makes the whole Flashpoint story easier to manage.
Magnetar = dumbest name for a multiverse-shattering machine ever.
Hey, YOU try destroying a universe or ten, and see if you’ve got time to focus-group clever machine names! And I’m talking whipping up a blender that’ll take out even the minor universes – you have to remember to wipe out Captain Carrot’s universe, the Marvel readers, the Bizarro world, don’t forget the Inferior FIve, a couple of Elseworlds, Wait, Earth-E and Earth-154 are the same, right? I almost forgot Earth-Eleven, and would’ve if I’d been busy reciting “Magnetarino, magnetopolis, howz bout magnetus prime?”
Interesting final episode. I didn’t see Shipp continuing his recurring role as Jay Garrick, even though they foreshadowed it when he recognized the name. I totally saw Barry aborting his relationship with Iris when his father died, because that’s always what people on tv shows do: “Well, that sucks - I’ve only got one thing going for me, this relationship; I better fuck that up too.”
And seriously? A grown man is going to screw up the entire universe because he’s hurt and wants his mommy? Hell, I would have rooted for Zoom if I knew he was that pathetic.
Season 3 should begin with, “My name is Barry Allen, and I am the dumbest man alive…”
The entire Zoom story line kind of floundered all season. I am glad it’s over. I want a return to the fun episodes of season one but it looks like as others have said we are getting Flashpoint which is very not fun.
Also looks like we will be getting yet another version of Wells (the Dr. Wells from Earth 1 that was in the car accident and murdered by Thrawne, now alive).
I am glad that the story ended with a heroic Flash named Jay Garrick on at least one Earth as I thought it should. It was just a shame it was so predictable.
Still, looking forward to next season as I still like the show. This was just a sophomore slump.
Hmmm … thought the writers were going to keep Zoom around and have the Flash Scoobies wait for help from Earth 2’s Justice Society of America (see the last segment of the Legends of Tomorrow finale).
Well … now the CW’s “Arrowverse” has introduced two Golden Age Justice Society of America members – Rex Tyler (Hourman) and Jay Garrick (Flash). Wonder if a new one will/has cropped up on Arrow (unless we can count Black Canary)?
“Megatronic Multiversial Kablooey Machine”. 10 seconds to think of, ten billion times cooler.
Also, they missed an obvious trick. It took 500 laps to trigger the machine? Flash was running in it too, so it should have only taken 250. And wouldn’t that have been a great Zoom revelation–“One lap to go, because you couldn’t think to divide by two! Bwahahaha!”
And I hate, HATE the “time remnant” bullshit. It’s too powerful, it makes no sense and it’s just silly.
Yeah, it seems like repeatedly it comes up that Barry shouldn’t try to fix things alone because it’s better with a team, and that going back in time can majorly screw things up. And then he wants to take on Zoom all by himself whether the team is with him or not, and then later goes back in time without anyone else knowing in order to change things. And last time he went back in time, it opened a rift that allowed Zoom to come through.
I agree, Zoom was a little disappointing. First off, that it was the second season in a row where there was a trusted member of the team who turned out to be the bad guy speedster all along. And then that his motivations were mainly that he was a crazy psychopath. And it always annoys me when a bad guy says some variation of “see, you’re just like me!” when the good guy starts getting angry, ignoring that the bad guy has killed a huge number of people and the good guy is never going to do that.
I do still like the show and will keep watching, I just wish they had better ways of moving the plot other than people behaving stupidly.
It’s disappointing because it’s bad, lazy writing.
I had that thought myself. “He used multiplication! The fiend!”
The guy in the mask was tall and thin, he was built just like Jay/Zoom. Making it be Barry’s dad doppleganger was kinda silly, specially when they showed how chubby he looked in the Flash costume.
Alright, so now, instead of just risking Earth to save one person, let’s risk the entire multiverse, because obviously people Barry Allen holds dear are far more important than the rest of the schlubs out there that don’t even star in their own TV shows! And after that implausibly works out OK, well hey, let’s go back in time and erase the last twenty years of history, because basically, fuck everybody! Barry Allen wants his mommy!
OK, I get it, losing your parents is terrible and all, and having them murdered by two different time-traveling speedsters seems both cruel and betrays a certain lack of imagination on the part of fate, but really—everybody loses people they love. That doesn’t mean you get to toy with other people’s lives! Oh, on the other hand, maybe Zoom was right—maybe Barry actually has become like him, because fucking with the past in such a way certainly is a pretty villainous thing to do.
Nevertheless, the whole ‘the bad guy is just a dark reflection of the hero’-trope is one of the two the superhero genre at large needs to back the hell away from; the other being the ‘I can’t have a fulfilling relationship because responsibility!’, also known as ‘it’s too dangerous for you to be around me!’ or, in this case, ‘there’s nothing good in my life so I’ll arbitrarily trash the one thing that finally goes the way I wanted it to since kindergarten because I’m so hollow inside!’. Jesus Christ, stop whining.
I’ve mentioned this before. When Dr. Wells (really Eobard Thawne) confessed he knew the particle accelerator could explode, he referred to people who’d died, such as Ralph Dibny and Beatriz DaCosta. In the original history, they became Elongated Man and Fire a/k/a Green Flame. Maybe we’ll see them this year.
Also, maybe Mirror Master because reasons.
I figured it made some sense to race Zoom, because I’m sure after Zoom killed Iris and Joe and everyone else Barry loved, he would move on to random other people. Not that Barry necessarily was considering that, but it does seem inevitable. And I did appreciate that his solution wasn’t just “gotta run faster” but by also using a time remnant, even if those don’t exactly make sense. But it also shouldn’t have gotten to that point, the team should have acted smarter earlier.
I do agree that it’s terrible self-centered and short-sighted for Barry to go back in time and risking so much to save his mom. But that also makes me wonder why Zoom didn’t go back in time to kill his dad and save his mom since he was so messed up by that.
While we’re at it, as long as we’re allowing for those idiotic “time remnants”, why not have Barry-now go back to “Barry and company having dinner with Dad” time, and swap dad out for a “time remnant” dad that Zoom kills?
So does this mean a new cast for Season 3? Barry’s now existing in 15-20 years ago time, and we saw the previous Barry vanish in a puff of logic. That means the timeline of seasons 1 & 2 no longer exists, so he can’t run back to it.
I can’t recall whether speedsters are the only ones who can make time remnants of themselves – but even so, Jay obviously owes Barry a favor, and could have his time remnant stand in for a lookalike Henry, right?
I understand what you’re saying here - but it’s been established that when Barry changes time, he’s the only on that knows. So the only person he’s really messing with is himself; everyone else is just living in an alternate history, which will leave them in a different (better, worse, equivalent) place than in the original timeline.
And, as an aside, Barry presumably would get both his parents back since bio-dad isn’t going to end up in prison.