That kangaroo hopping down the LA street in the first episode, and now a bunch of dead crows; this seems pretty David Lynch to me (the owls are not what they seem). But I agree that the internal logic is really messed up. In the flash forward, at least some people were clearly affected by the original blackout, since the FBI guy (Benford) was investigating it at the time. But people in the first thread were right; under the circumstances, an awful lot of people, certainly including our main characters, would write notes to themselves to be reading at 10:00 PM Pacific Time April 29, 2010. And many people certainly aren’t going to be just living normal lives at that moment. They’re going to be aware that right now is when they flashed forward to, and they probably will have been preparing the moment for weeks. They’re not going to just be going about their business. If nothing else, a whole lot of people will be actively mourning lost friends and/or family who died during the Event.
So is the female FBI agent with the thumb ring actually gay? Female gay seems to be somewhat “in” these days on TV. And why would she have been getting an ultrasound at 10 PM (possible explanation: she had an illness/injury that led doctors to fear for her baby’s life)?
This third episode was not promising for me. Also, the end of the second episode, where the killer had a white queen chess piece. Hasn’t the crazy killer uttering cryptic phrases and playing chess with reality been a little over-done by now?
I assumed the kangaroo was a homage/nod to the polar bears of Lost. The crows are a plot clue, surely.
Fwiw, we already know one of the story arcs; man saves daughter, man and wife reunite, alcohol free man and wife live happily ever after with disabled daughter in sun-kissed California.
Forgot; regarding the female FBI agent. Given how she mentioned to the German before even getting to the room about "the bad things done here "(his reply was about native indians), how the Nazi considered her, her ring, and her very hostile objection to any deal with him . . . go on, have a guess as to her heritage?
Yeah, nor even that decade. What the hell, have people already forgotten how the DHS came about? It’s not like it’s some arcane bit of historic trivia yet; it happened within all our living memories, right in the wake of rather notable times…
About the kangaroo, I was just wondering if it somehow escaped from local captivity because of some chance circumstance. Like leaving the gate to its habitat open at the zoo, because the keeper was about to go in to feed them, or whatever.
I simply thought the writers/director wanted an odd visual to drive home the surrealness of just what was occurring. It’ll be interesting to see if the 'roo is explained, because the polar bear was in LOST.
Ok, This is Hanibal Lecter, No wait, now it is the Independent B&W Parnoid Thriller Pi, no wait, now it is Fringe…
Too much taking from stories I have seen before.
And, did we really see 137 Sekunden before the episode? Or, are they already adding to the main characters Flash?
You would think, and hope, that pretty soon the FBI is going to set down some rules on how to trust and not trust the flashes. I mean, You would think after the Doll Factory, that the FBI would stop assuming things.
Then again, Perhaps it is the entire “Destiny is what happens when try to avoid it” thing.
You know, that line from Kung Fu Panda. [[Yes, I am dead serious]]
I don’t know. I think I am being more lenient than most here, but the FBI has to get “smart” about this sooner or later.
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-Then again, how many days pass per episode? **
Then again, again, 24 couldn’t even keep their pace up.
The objection that Olivia Benford shouldn’t be talking to the guy she’s going to fall for would make sense if the guy’s son weren’t her patient. She can’t avoid talking to him all the time (though she has tried). The exchange between her and the guy outside the hospital showed her, I thought, torn between her caring, healer instincts and the reality that she could fall in love with the guy.
Am I the only one who noticed that Demetri’s fiancee did not actually see Demetri at the wedding? She saw a group of people from a distance, and assumed that the man waiting for her was/is Demetri.
Not only did crows die and no one noticed except a Nazi, but the graph showed November and December, so in crow-years we’re already moving at quite a clip.
If the crows died, all the scenes would have crows lying side by side with people.
Such silliness.
But it has Shohreh Aghdashloo! I could listen to her talk for hours.
I was really hoping that Demitri would bust the wannabe customs officer, just to prove that he could change the future. C’mon, out of everyone, shouldn’t he be the one trying to throw a wrench into the works?
Come on, nobody else on the planet notices the dead crows? Nobody is responsible for cleaning up the debris from the runways? Why do directors think that we’re all computer-illiterate and believe that computers make sound effects every time the screen displays anything? And there is a census of crow population statistics that can be found in seconds?
It’s an interesting premise for a story, but with a little effort they could have made a much better script.
They said it was the Audubon society that kept these records, and that it was trends, not necessarily actual population. Really, who can possibly count every crow? (Perhaps the pop group Counting Crows?) Most of that graph is probably extrapolation, with known events added into the mix, not a day-by-day census.
Clearly, whoever at the Audubon society entered it into their database noticed as well. Maybe people other than prisoners have lives to clean up rather than making a big deal out of birds.
Fernmeldetruppe:
Did it say that the CDC requested the help in 1991, or merely that the CDC (possibly later) asked for DHS funding to investigate the 1991 incident?
justafriend:
I had hoped so too, probably he’s not doing so because he “just wants his girlfriend to be happy” or some such, seeing how happy she looked relating her flash-forward. Or he now thinks that there are alternate versions of the future, so it’s pointless to try and avoid a specific vision.
Well sort of. The Audubon Society does count birds, but they don’t do day-to-day counts and the “common crow” is not one of the species that has been counted in recent years. So I guess you could generously say it’s not total crap.
They did specficially mention the DHS funding in relation to a 1991 event and that’s just plain sloppy.
The show is an interesting premise but the little things about the characters are really pissing me off.
Yo Lead FBI guy, TELL YOUR WIFE YOUR VISION! It makes me think of LOST where no one would tell anyone anything which of course, chaos would ensue. You haven’t started drinking yet, so what’s the big deal in telling your wife your vision?!
Also, ASK YOUR DAUGHTER WHAT SHE SAW. This whole “We’re these awesome parents and we’ll wait for her to tell us what she saw” is total BS. You aren’t going to traumatize your daughter by asking her vision! If she doesn’t want to tell, so be it, but to just ignore it like that is driving me up the wall.
Argh. There are so many mistakes in this episodes from sloppy research (which ten minutes on wikipedia could have cleared) plus bad morals plus dumb logic, that I’m really leaning towards “it’s not worth watching anymore” territory.
Some of the most grave mistakes are listed on the imdb. page, but the main ones are:
there is only one prison in Munich, Stadelheim, which is in the southeast, not to the north, and most certainly not that barbed-wire concrete hideosity. It’s for people under arrest (Untersuchungshäftlinge) and short-term criminals, not super-high criminals like Nazis. See a front picture here and an arial view here. (the trees in the top are from the adjacent cemetary). While the members of the Weisse Rose were executed at Stadelheim, this wasn’t the prison shown.
You can’t cast a square-jawed, fiercly-looking American actor as German. It looks wrong.
So the Nazi is named Geier (Buzzard; writing it Geyer is the American way, not the German one), and the BND guy is named Krieger (Warrior). And the German prison guard from the teaser is Schulz, like Hogan Heroes. Please. Get less obvious.
Kriegers reaction to the FBI lady’s screed is inapproriate and atypical.
Geier writes the numbers wrong, in the American way, not the German way.
The uniforms of the guards are all wrong - no metal shiny badges on breastpockets, but coat of arms of the state on the upper sleeves. Plus, police doesn’t guard a prison, Justizvollzugsbeamte (justice officals) do that.
So during all that agonizing about a deal (and with the German government, it would never get through so quickly!), no-one thinks of arresting Geier the moment he stepped out of the prison and trying him for his crimes in America? What prevents the USians from locking him up in prison there? They don’t have to fulfil the vision.
I really don’t believe that a high-ranking Nazi in Treblinka would have learned about Kabbalah there. No. Everything Jewish was inferior to the SS who was volunteer believers. Nope.
General idiocy: Why does Mark (FBI) insist that the dreams people had are visions of the future with zero evidence?
They keep searching for suspect zero because he moved. But they don’t have any idea how many other people moved - don’t tell me that they asked every sheepherd in Africa, India or peasant in China if they blacked out. Major cities, yes. Everybody on Earth, no way.
Moreover, if this is not magic or alien tech., but some biological mechanism - waves or gas - then it would not affect all humans equally. Some would be suspectible to visions/ dreams, some not. Basic biology.
