I don’t recall making a claim about an 18-to-1 disparity - do you have a cite for my saying that?
Regards,
Shodan
So of all the people executed for that crime in Florida, between 1/4 and 2/3 of them should have been white, statistically speaking?
Seeing the incredibly low(non-existent) rate of executions for white-on-black murders might lead a person to assume that it is easier to convict someone of black-on-white crime than the other way around, which might contribute to the scewed murder conviction rate.
Nope, that’s why I’m asking you. I mean, for some reason you seemed to think it was relevant to come into a thread about this particular sentencing disparity situation and claim that death penalty sentencing is more dependent on the stranger-murder factor than on race. (You also appeared to disparage claims that there’s racial bias in death penalty sentencing, if that has anything to do with the point you were trying to make.)
So I’m wondering where you got the actual data supporting your claim about the relative importance of the stranger-murder factor vs. the race factor, and whether you are trying to imply that (if true) it would account for this particular level of sentencing disparity.
According to the execution list I found, of the 92 people that have been executed in Florida since 1976, 57 were white males and 29 were black males. Make of that what you will.
Hereis a presentationby Jacksonville’s sherriff department that shows 32% of people arrested for murder were white men.
If the proportion of interracial murders is similar in Florida as the rest of the population then about 11 black people a year in Florida are killed by whites and 31 white people are killed by black people. So 25% of the people executed for interracial murder would be white if it were random.
Nothing can be definitively made of that, other than the very fact itself.
Well, he’s dead, and America is now a post-racism society.
Arrests are a rather poor measure of the number of perpetrators.
If you insist.
Arrests are a pretty good indicator in murders since homicide has the highest clearance rate of any crime. They would probably under report black murders since statesthat are more white and more rural have higher rates of clearance for homicides.
Obviously you are both aware of the well established rule. Shodan - while the snarkiness in post #3 and #8 aren’t rule violations, they don’t do you any favors in fostering the assumption of positive intent from your readers. If the comment about ‘solely’ was a misinterpreted joke (as I read it), a riff on the incongruousness of the word solely with multiple reasons, it’s easy enough to clarify.
This is a general note to all to please remain civil.
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If you assume that law enforcement arrests blacks and whites at the same rate, sure. But we know that isn’t true.
There are ways to (roughly) estimate the prevalence of homicides among different ethnic groups that are independent of any racial bias in arrest rates. For example one can correlate the murder rate in a city with the percentage of different ethnic groups. This kind of analysis leads to results that aren’t that much different than what the arrest rate tells us. (high homicide rates among African Americans, much lower rates among whites and Latinos, the Latino rate isn’t particularly higher than the white rate when you correct for the fact that Latinos are younger and younger people commit more violent crimes).
Nonetheless, while it’s well known the African-American homicide rate is much higher than the white rate, Florida’s history of not executing any white criminals with black victims is wildly disproportionate to the actual prevalence of these sorts of crimes, and a different in the base rate of homicide isn’t enough to explain or justify why Florida does what it does.
That’s a weird claim. I opposed the DP before even considering whether it’s racially discriminatory.
What are the numbers? How many whites have been convicted of murdering blacks since 1976?
Naah, just make 'em drink from it.
I’m against the death penalty, so obviously I don’t applaud this.
It doesn’t change the fact that blacks are still far more likely to be executed either.
I fail to see why those numbers would be any more useful. The only murders in the murder rate are those for which someone has been convicted of murder. So the exact same bias has been introduced–of people being convicted of murder when it wasn’t, and deaths that are not ruled as murder even though they actually were.
I should have been more precise: the numbers in the Ron Unz link are for homicide, and they’re independent of whether anyone was convicted or arrested for the homicide.