You didn’t “show me”. You told me, and I’ve seen nothing to corroborate your claim. From dbsj’s link:
[emphasis added]
Yes.
Police spokesman Sgt. Dave Morgenstern on Thursday issued a statement disputing Cutcher’s version of events, calling her statements to WFTV “inconsistent with her sworn testimony to police.”
You do understand what “sworn testimony” is, right? That means she made an oath to verify its truthfulness.
I gave you a link. And quoted the relevant information from it. You apparently have some kind of selective blindness. Here it is again:
http://www.eurweb.com/2012/03/zimmerman-told-police-trayvon-tried-to-take-his-gun/
In addition, an eyewitness, 13-year-old Austin Brown, told police he saw a man fitting Zimmerman’s description lying on the grass moaning and crying for help just seconds before he heard the gunshot that killed Martin.
You’re welcome to give more credence to police statements, of course, but the whole reason we’re discussing the matter is because the same police bollixed the investigation.
ETA: Fair enough, but it appears sources disagree on what Brown reported to police.
No they don’t. One says it was “someone”. The other says that “someone” was Zimmerman. So one clarifies the other.
No source says that the kid reported it was Martin crying for help (which is what that other poster claimed).
no–it’s a signature on the bottom of the police report.
do YOU understand how those work? what do you do with the quote that police didn’t take her full statement? or that they corrected her claims?
the sworn testimony is the signature on the bottom of the at the scene report, which is saying 'you hereby swear this is truthful the most of your knowledge."
clearly she’s upset they didn’t accept what she was trying to say. i’m not exactly sure what one does when the cops ask your side of the story and then go “no, you’re mistaken…now sign here because you’re a witness…”
So she signed an untrue statement certifying it as true?
brown said “someone” cried for help then heard the gunshots but had left when the shots were fired. several many witnesses claim they heard TRAYVON.
i’m not speaking ot the whole fight–i’m speaking to the cry for help when the shots were fired.
those cries, according to more than one witness, were Trayvons.
Assuming police refused to add anything to the report, it’s reasonable to assume that’s exactly what she did. What else was she supposed to do?
I don’t think that actually happened, but there you go.
Seriously? Not sign an untrue statement, that’s what she is supposed to do.
If she signed an untrue statement, that makes her a pretty poor witness, doesn’t it?
Maybe. Perhaps it makes her someone who was intimidated by police and gave in when pressed to sign. It appears that investigators may have been leading witnesses (though not necessarily as a result of malice).
i ask you again: what does one do when they say they heard one thing and a cop says “no, you’re wrong?”
exactly what point are you trying to make?
i have provided you several other links to witness testimony saying they heard Trayvon cry for help.
it is granted that at some point, zimmerman did cry for help as well, but the point of what i said initially is that MARTIN CRIED FOR HELP AS HE WAS BEING SHOT. which has been corroborated by several other witnesses.
think about this: zimmerman claims during the fight he was crying for help.
if both guys cried for help, and the officer said “it was zimmerman,” and you go “ok–yeah i guess at some point it was,” so you sign off on a thing but assert they didn’t take the whole truth.
nothing about this is confusing. both guys cried for help, but the officer who responded wanted to just write this off as self defense and only took info to build that case and did not take anything else. he didn’t take the teacher’s full statement, did not investigate Trayvon’s cell call, did not document Zimmerman’s purported injuries, and did not administer a drugs or alcohol test on Zimmerman.
so let me ask you this:
do you think the police handled this in a manner that will ultimately dispense a true and honest amount of justice?
do you think they handled it properly and honestly and well, in a manner that best seeks truth and justice?
I’m going to bed. You guys have fun. Sitting on the fence is certainly no fun at all.
Don’t accuse other people of dishonesty. And this goes for everyone: leave the personal commentary out of this thread.
I for one wonder why the gun lobby has been so slow to weigh in on this. In the wake of the Virginia Tech and Northern Illinois shootings, they instantly lobbied to extend CCW laws to college campuses (hell, they lobbied for similar laws just a few months ago in neighboring Georgia).
It seems like whenever gun violence makes the national news, the gun lobby shows up screeching about how this tragedy could have been avoided if more people were packing. This Facebook fact sheet from the Gun Owners of America is typical, and inadvertently ironic:
So, why isn’t Wayne LaPierre decrying the fact that the minimum-age gun laws in Florida prevented Trayvon Martin from legally purchasing a gun until he turned 18? Why aren’t there serious op-eds explaining the danger of unarmed citizens walking the neighborhood streets? Any guesses?
again, if she heard Zimmerman cry for help when he started getting his ass kicked but also heard trayvon cry for help when the gun was drawn (and as he was shot) what she signed WAS true…the officer just left out part of it.
apparently the officer presumes only one or the other could have cried for help.
according to the 911 tapes, BOTH men did. her statement was not inconsistent nor a lie–it was just incomplete.
That she changes her sworn testimony weeks after the incident. A very reliable witness, isn’t she?
Links. Apart from the one from that witness that apparently signs untrue statements. And apart from the parents’ statement, since we already know that the father told the police way back then that it was not his son’s voice - so him telling people it was in fact his son’s voice now is a bit too convenient.
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I’VE POSTED THIS LINK FOUR TIMES NOW:**
http://www.kmjm.com/pages/thetonyscottshow.html?feed=146161&article=9917468
I’ll also ask you this once again:
do you think the police did everything by the book, to the best of their ability, with the intention of full dispensing of truth, justice, and with honesty and TRUE JUSTICE in mind in all the ways they handled the case…?
eta: more links:
Which part of mine: “And apart from the parents’ statement, since we already know that the father told the police way back then that it was not his son’s voice - so him telling people it was in fact his son’s voice now is a bit too convenient.” did you not understand?
You said “witnesses”. Bring them. Links.
again (i’ve quoted this seeeeveral times now:
[According to the Miami Herald, witnesses said they heard Trayvon screaming for help, a booming gunshot, and then silence.
Three witnesses say they saw or heard the moments before and after the Sanford teenager’s killing.
All three witnesses said they heard the last screams for help from the boy, which proves that Trayvon wasn’t killed in self-defense.](http://globalgrind.com/node/828331)
eta: the teacher is not one of these three. nor is the father. the teacher is mentioned later in the article as “more witnesses come forward…”