The only witness that is quoted in the article is the one that apparently signs untrue statements for the police. And even she has no idea who it was crying, but infers that it was Martin because the crying stopped after the shot. Did you read your article?
So - do you have any other witnesses? Maybe ones that don’t sign untrue statements?
i’m not sure what you even want anymore. you ask for links, you get them. if you want me to give you the names and contact info of these witnesses, i’m pretty sure it’s an ongoing investigation.
i can’t help but notice you are dodging the question:
do you think the responding officer did everything he could to dispense the full measure of justice, truth and total civic duty in how this was all handled?
do you think they did the best job they could have?
I asked for links to “witnesses” other than the one that has proven herself unreliable by signing untrue statements. You give me links to another statement by the same woman, and to the Martin’s parents statement. Were they witnesses too?
And even that woman’s statement is not that it was Martin crying for help but that she infers that it was from the fact that the crying for help stopped after the shot. Which doesn’t mean much. Why would Zimmerman continue crying for help after the shot?
how on the earth do you determine that THREE WITNESSES, the FOURTH OF WITH BEING MARY CUTCHER, are all one person?
if you want to have any sort of respectful discourse where anyone takes you seriously, you’re going to have to not blatantly dodge questions.
if you want to continue asking them of me and getting answers, you’re going to have to go on and answer mine, respectfully.
otherwise, good luck building a case–because you have made it clear you are unwilling to say the police did everything by the book, beyond reproach, full protocol with nothing but the utmost truth, justice and civic duty in mind.
unless you can say they did everything beyond reproach, you don’t have much credence hiding behind their tactics.
Witnesses who heard the cry for help say it stopped with the sound of the shot. They believe if it had been Zimmerman crying out for help, he would have continued to yell for help. But, if it was Trayvon, the cry for help would have stopped once he was shot.
Name them. Quote their statements from the article. I only saw one quoted.
you’ve made it clear you yourself don’t believe the police did this by the book. you’re just arguing for the sake of it at this point…
good luck with that.
So they have no idea who was crying for help, but they “believe” it was Trayvon? Why are they so certain that Zimmerman would continue crying for help after the shot? The assault on him stopped at that point. And shots are kinda loud, and can shock you out of whatever you’re doing or screaming, especially if you just shot your assailant.
The one and only eyewitness that actually saw the fight says Martin was beating up Zimmerman, sitting on top of him and Zimmerman was the one crying for help. He actually SAW that. Everyone else infers who it was they heard crying by “believing” things.
i found their names, and i’ll post them. i also found another eye-witness to zimmerman standing over trayvon when the shot was fired.
i’ll continue the discussion, and provide links and we’ll have a discussion, but you have to participate first:
i’ll ask for the last time, if you dodge it this time it means you’re not willing to have an open discourse, and i will withdraw.
DO YOU THINK THE RESPONDING OFFICER DID EVERYTHING BEYOND REPROACH, WITH THE FULL DISPENSATION OF JUSTICE, TRUTH, AND HONESTY IN MIND IN ALL THIS ACTIONS? DO YOU THINK THE WAY THIS WAS HANDLED UTILIZED THE FULL SCALE AND SCOPE OF CIVIC DUTY, TO THE END OF CONDUCTING A THOROUGH AND HONEST INVESTIGATION WITH THE INTENTION OF COMPLETE TRUTH, HONESTY AND JUSTICE?
If you didn’t have those names before etc. - why did you post links that were pointless?
I know the “standing over Trayvon” thing. It was AFTER the shot was fired. No one saw the shot actually being fired. So stop with the “when the shot was fired” crap. Why is it interesting/nontrivial that after the shot, Zimmerman was seen standing over Martin? Should he have remained on the ground?
ah. so you DO refuse to answer.
well. good luck.
when you’re willing to have a discussion, get back to us.
have fun wanking til then.
… says the one refusing to answer. Or to provide links to his assertions.
Terr, i’m withdrawing from the conversation because you’ve proven you don’t even believe in what you are arguing. you want to hide behind what the police said and did, and use their dismissive tactics as evidence to ignore eyewitness testimony.
you are hiding behind the officers but refuse to acknowledge if they did everything beyond reproach. i will not be baited to provide a case against something you already will not admit you yourself believes in…
i believe you are being a troll–just debating for the sake of it–which i won’t be a part of.
the fact you have on 5 occasions skirted the question proves you are unwilling to stand behind the garbage you are using as debate fodder. you don’t believe it, we don’t believe it, and you’ve proven we’re all on the same page at this point.
cops really messed up. the end.
all you have to do is answer the question.
i’m withholding because i want a DISCUSSION, which is two-sided. i’m withholding because, respectfully, if you want someone to answer your questions, you should answer theirs. that’s how discourse works; it’s two sided.
that is why i am withholding.
why are you withholding…?
Not only have you shown that you don’t know the facts of the case, but you also are willing to make up facts not in evidence (like your statement that Austin Brown saw Martin crying for help) and refuse to provide links when asked (or throw up a flurry of links that are completely irrelevant). You’re the one who’s trolling. Laters.
indeed, laters.
i am tho, glad we can agree the investigators really messed everything up.
that clears up everything.
It’s actually quite amusing that Terr has spent the last several posts demanding that his opponents “name” the witnesses who say that they heard Trayvon scream for help and who contradict his preferred version of events while the witness that he chooses to believe he can’t name since the person has refused to be photographed or give his name to the media.
This was the latest thing that I read in the case and it is very telling. Beating a man when he is down is beyond self-defense and it’s good evidence that Zimmerman had no way to retreat (assuming he was required to retreat because, again assuming, that he was the initial aggressor). It’s enough to dissuade a prosecutor from bringing charges.
I also read some piece that I don’t have a link to (so I doubt its truthfulness) that these media pictures of Martin being a fresh-faced sweet young kid are all bullshit. That on his Facebook page he is all tatted up and has a bunch of ghetto slang on it. He was also suspended from school for selling weed.
If true, those are just as important as Zimmerman’s hot-headedness or racism because it is evidence (at least to me) that Martin would act like a young punk and start throwing punches instead of answering questions from an adult.
To me, so far, there is too much doubt here to make an arrest, but unfortunately the political pressure may force someone’s hand.
Well it’s moral cowardism. if Terr admits shooting an innocent child for being black outside at night is wrong, well then it brings up questions about gun laws, and the stand your ground law. He’s too scared to face that, so he has to defend a stalking creep who shot an innocent child.
He once defended coerced rape in the name of his “Libertarian” beliefs.
So why did you post it here?
For the record, the pictures referenced are not Trayvon Martin. Just more character assassination by bigoted thugs.