Fonts - why the hate, why the love, when did we decide that there should be taste in fonts

I’ve been in school with a few designers, although I wouldn’t consider myself much of one. I think, in large part, Comic Sans is viewed as hackneyed. A lot of fonts are thought of as lazy or overused.

Here’s a piece about the history of comic sans, hah:
http://mashable.com/2012/10/03/comic-sans-history/

Typography can be really interesting initially, IMHO, but then you start to study it a bit more and it starts to feel overwhelming, in my opinion. I write the code for websites, though, and I’m not always confident with simply designing for them all on my own.

Nah. It’s just a stupid looking font. If I’m a hipster or snob, that’s news to me. There are so many nicer looking comic style fonts out there. Comic Sans just looks like it was drawn by a child.

And, no, it’s idiotic to suggest that people who don’t like Comic Sans are somehow “inferior.” Who actually makes those kinds of judgments? That’s in your head.

I don’t think Papyrus is a bad font in and of itself, it’s just been way overused. According to Wikipedia it was created in the early '80s, but IIRC it wasn’t commonly seen until maybe 15 years ago. By the early 2000s it seemed like any time anyone wanted to evoke the past, the desert, the Middle East, or even the Far East then they went with Papyrus. Since that’s a pretty broad range of connotations Papyrus showed up a LOT.

Wikipedia links to a nice little story in Boise’s alternative weekly about Papyrus and it’s (mis)uses. The article quotes a designer who points out that Papyrus is “a default font on most computers, and it has a different look than most default fonts,” and of the “different” looking default fonts Papyrus is probably one of the easiest to read. This may be one reason it is/was used so much by amateur designers on fliers and shop signs.

This.

Check out this website titled “5 Terrible Fonts That You Should Not Use In Print Design

Before you go to that site, think about what you might imagine might be some logical, factually based reasons for not using certain fonts. Now go to the site. What do you find? Such rational gems as because they are abhorrent, or cheap, or horrid. We are told just “don’t” use a certain font. Or don’t use it because lots of people do.

Its deeply thought through stuff.

It’s the same sort of clear, rational thinking that goes into the heartfelt belief that it somehow matters that this year cerulean is the color you simply must wear while cerise is grotesque and way, way overused and no one would be seen dead in it, at least not after 2011, back when I used to wear it.

Hate hate HATE Arial and Calibri. They look like the type of fonts used in “See Jane Run” books, they’re simplistic, ugly and are harder to read. One of our clients absolutely INSISTS upon Arial, (even though the industry standard for technical reports is Times New Roman). I always do the drafts in TNR and then switch to Arial before submitting the first draft.

UGH UGH UGH.

Ugh, can’t stand Times New Roman. HATE it. I use Arial for its readability.

True story, bro.

Which is just so bizarre to me, I’ve been in this particular industry for over 20 years now, and except for this one client (who also claims Arial has “readability”), everyone else prefers the seriffed fonts. As I said, it’s the industry standard. For my poor old eyes, large blocks of text are much easier on the eyes with the natural built in “stopping” places of fonts like TNR. Not to mention, Arial always looks sort of weirdly “grainy” or something to me, not smooth.

The worst thing about Arial though, is that this client’s reports always look like second grade primers next to the “regular” reports. All of my other clients (her coworkers) complain about the same thing. But whatever, she’s the customer! She wants baby font, she gets baby font. :smiley:

:: stomps foot ::

Is not a baby font! :wink:

Giggles! Sorry, yes, that was just too far! :smiley:

I don’t know when we were all supposed to start caring about fonts, but it looks like this guy has been at it awhile: Arial vs Helvetica

The folks over at Cracked have this to say about that: Cracked.com - America's Only Humor Site | Cracked.com

The choice of font, when used judiciously, can positively affect the readability of text.
The usual rule has been something like ‘no more than three fonts on a page and two or one are better’.

I used the PC at work to print up job-run-sheets and found one hugely annoying flaw with Arial that led me to employ Century Gothic as much as possible.

Arial: 6
Century Gothic: 6

When numbers have to be printed small, the curly shape of “6” and “9” can make it difficult to distinguish them from “8” or “0” when you are out on the floor – or even on a monitor. Lamentably, I could not figure out how to force excel to default to anything but Arial. At least I figured out how to get it to stop trying to help me, goddamn paperclip.

I’ll throw in my main reason for disliking Arial and some other sans serif fonts- the capital I and lower case l are identical. It looks stupid when something such as “Illinois senator indicted blah blah” or “Illness keeps star away from premier…” is printed in it.

When I read this site, it appears to be Trebuchet, which curls the bottom of the lowercase L. Sans fonts tend to have better (softer) color than most serif fonts, the serifs just add too much noise. imho.

Agree with this! At my former job (as a programmer), Boolean data type was called “Logical” in our programming language, and all Logical variable names we used began with the letter “l” (ell). I began the practice of always using Capital L for first letter of Logical variable names, for just this reason. That way, when we quoted code snippets in our e-mails to each other, they were much more readable.

Years ago, before I knew people hated Comic Sans, I used to like it. Then once I heard enough mocking of it I started to not like it either, which just made me feel like a follower, which just made me like it even less for making me feel that way.

At work I deal with customers picking fonts all the time, and every time they pick Comic Sans I judge them.

A free typeface to improve comprehension for dyslexic people: http://dyslexicfonts.com/ (If you Google, there are also commercial typefaces for the same purpose)

A bit of comic sans humor: I’m Comic Sans, Asshole. BY Mike Lacher – warning, the page is rendered in Comic Sans.

Whether you like Comic Sans or not, whether you are font-tragic or someone who couldn’t care less, that is an A-Grade rant, right there. Good stuff.

First, they’re just not very well designed fonts as regarded by typeface and graphic designers (Comic Sans more-so over Papyrus).

Second, they’re both classified as Display Fonts, that is, they were designed with the intent to be mainly used in a very limited fashion, say in title or poster work, logos, blurbs, or some othe stylized manner — not in large bodies of text for general reading, like articles, websites, email, books or any other form of formal writing where the style lends itself to readability, legibility and other more pragmatic reasons when setting type for compact communication takes precedence (Although despite Comic Sans is a casual font, aping the hand lettering in comic balloons, which is a narrative, rarely does the typeface match the tone of anything else, mainly because of the strong association to the medium of its namesake).

Third, they’re not just overused, but abused because of my second point above. It’s hardly snobbery or hipsters bemoaning them as inferior; it’s that the computer revolution has made these more pedestrian and ubiquitous typefaces wholly available and accessible to those with only a handful of pre-installed fonts that came with their OS. So when they’re bored of Helvetica and Times, these feel more fun or novel in comparison.

In graphic design and typography, there’s a time and place for almost any font design, however Comic Sans (being fairly new on the scene) and Papyrus offer very rare instances, even if used ironically, now that the stigma attached to them has irreparably damaged their reputation. So much so, that for a professional designer to use them would draw far more attention to the decision to use such a infamous font than any typography usually deserves, even if it seems a perfect fit otherwise. So it’s avoided.

Two recent examples where one surprisingly worked for me, and where one was used that surprised me because of the dissonance between the font used and the much-hyped state-of-the-art filmmaking:

Drive and Avatar, respectively.

The smart usage of Mistral (another “kitschy” font, overused almost as badly before Comic Sans and Papyrus overthrew it) for Drive in hot pink over the moody, violent tone of the film works on some semi-ironic, tonal level which ironically was nixed in favor of your typically trite, bold and action-y looking font when the movie gained critical acclaim and I’m guessing was re-branded for the rental/bluray market. Too bad, it was an interesting and bold choice, and made it stand out, rather than detract, or even worse, blend in with the title work of far more mediocre films it’ll now share the shelves with.

As for using Papyrus for the title of Avatar, well, I’m at a loss. Whatever your feelings on the film itself, it was a remarkable technological achievement in visual effects and art production. To go to such great lengths in design and technology and chose Papyrus, as is, for the title logo is utterly baffling to me.

So yeh, I like fonts. They’re the clothes of what you’re trying to say.

In your opinion, what factors make a typeface “well-designed”? Are we talking spacing, the way the numbers are distinguished, symmetry, readability or what?