For Valentine's Day: Romantic Love Important for Relationships?

Couple things:

  1. I do not think that your sexual relationship has to be your primary relationship: in fact, if you look over most of hte world’s histor,y the evolution of your sexual relatoiship to your primary relationship is a pretty recent phenomenon. My grandparents were not friends. They were lovers, they were co-parents, they were partners in their business, but they were not, from everythin I hear (my grandfather died when I was very young), friends. They grew up in a time and place where gender roles were very strongly assigned and enforced by social pressure, and for friendship they both loked to memebers of their own gender or to their mutual children. It was not a bad relationship, and I am not going to disparage that relationship as being less than my own for all that it is fundamentally different. In fact, in an objective way I can see that seperating the “co-parent” relationship from the volitile “person you most want to please/keep happy” relationship actually has a bit of sense in it, for all that I could never live that way.

  2. I am also confused by what you mean when you say “romantic”: do you mean lust? Lust was certainly present in the early stages of our relationship (though not from the momment we met: it took some time to grow).

Do you mean feeling like the other person is the center of the world and you couldn’t live without them? We’ve never felt that: in fact, we’ve actively striven to make it clear that in the event of tragedy, the survivor would be just fine: there would be lots of pain and grief, of course, but life would go on, we would recover and eventually even move on to new romantic relationships.

Do you mean that stage of a relationship where you don’t really know each other and everything feels new and unformed? We rushed through that as quickly as possible. We both really wanted to get into the settled in stage as quickly as possible.

Do you mean the trimmings of romantic love? Flowers, gifts, poems, songs, etc? We’ve never gone for romance: my SO has never written me a poem (though he’s a poet), has never given me flowers, has never said he loved me. We got married at the courthouse and told everyone after the fact.

But I’ll tell you something, we have as strong of a relationship of anyone I’ve ever known: the respect, the admiration, the kindness, the caring, the enjoyment and the lust are consistient and mutual. So if you mean all those types of things when you say “romantic”, then yes, we have a romantic relationship. But by most conventional yardsticks we do not and never have had. Thank God.

JSGODDESS–
Your contribution is more than welcome!

To those who asked for a little more definition–and especially whether it is “lust,” how it is connected to sex, etc.–

I can only tell you what I had in my mind (which clearly is not what everyone uses as a definition).

I met someone in a bar, while on a trip to a place I’d never been. He was mediumly attractive, and wore kind of an interesting t-shirt. He stood near me. I glanced at him a couple times; finally boosted my courage and asked about the shirt. We chatted. He bought me a drink. And then…

He asked me if I wanted another, in an “I care about you” sort of way; and

He asked me if I knew the meaning of love.

Somewhere within the course of a minute, I was a smitten kitten.

For days I was walking on air, my heart beat all the faster, the world and its colors were brighter, my imagination was lush with thoughts of snuggling in front of a fireplace…and all that.

As for the lust/sex component, well…in the spirit of the season, let me put this elegantly and delicately.

During that magic minute, and for the rest of my brief time with him, I had a boner. Maybe just 50%; but then I WAS wearing pants, and in a public place. If we had had sex, I think for once the inherent ludicrousness of the rigmarole would have seemed unimportant.

“Being carried away,” even for just a minute, is what it’s all about.

And THAT–that FEELING–is what I mean by the romantic component in love.

I guess I would call that infatuation. It seemed terribly important to me when I was 15/16 to walk on air, want him constantly, think about him obsessively, be with him as much as possible…but as I got older and we spent more time together, those feelings lessened. Now instead of saying I am in “romantic” love or infatuated, I would say that I’m content and comfortable, and all things being equal, happier this way.

Hmm. I guess I would have to say that I don’t think being carried away is necessary, then. I tend to think that I choose my relationship, rather than my relationship forcing itself on me. Does that make sense? I love my husband, and I am probably blind to some of his faults, and it would take a whole lot to get me to abandon him, but I feel that I have chosen him, not that he was destined for me, or that I couldn’t help myself, or that it was anything like an overpowering feeling.

I guess I’m saying that there’s an element of passivity in “getting carried away” that I don’t tend to experience in my relationship.

Er, again, not sure if I’m making sense.

Julie

I think some degree of romance is always important in a relationship, it’s that little spark that keeps things glowing!

I’ve been in a very LDR for several years, we’re based in different countries so we see each other only a couple of times a month. The time that we physically spend “together” is important for us as it allows us to work on the part of our relationship that involves us inhabiting the same space - how many of each other’s bad habits we can’t stand! In between, we survive on email, ICQ, texts and sending each other cards and notes etc. That part is keeping alive the “romance” of our relationship. We can’t be together all the time but we can use various other means to remind ourselves that there is someone we would very much like to have in the same room, but just for now that isn’t possible.

Later this year we plan to be living together properly, that’s going to be fun but at least we’ll hopefully remember that it has been the little romantic gestures that have helped us to get this far.

You can have a relationship that is a successful partnership without romantic love, but you can’t have a romance without romantic love.

PEPPER…JS…

Yes, I suppose it’s what most people mean by “infatuation.” And so my OP can probably be rephrased as “Does starting out with mutual infatuation boost the prospects for an enduring and satisfying relationship?”

I’ve noticed that women, more than men, seem able to accept relationships that “make sense” in a practical way, and to eventually experience them as satisfying.

The strong and well-founded belief that I would rather be alone than “settle” for a relationship without what MOTHCHUNKS calls romance gives a flavor of angst to this later half of my life.

This may be long and I’m not sure it’s responsive to the OP given the more recent clarifications, but I’m hoping it might be useful somewhere along the line.

I’ve had a lot of romantic love relationships (at least by my standards; I know plenty of people who’ve had a great number more than I); I still have rather a few. A couple of those have started with an infatuation/carried-away period; only one of those is still extant. One of them has started with strong components of mutual lust; that’s also one of the ones that’s still extant. All of them have started from a basis of a strong friendship (or one that seemed to have the components of a strong friendship and the inclination to put the components together). A good fraction of them started with a spark of potentiality for something deeper that got developed along the way, which . . . isn’t an infatuation, but I experience as fairly closely related.

I see romantic love as being what’s expressed in hearing a partner express a desire for truffles and remembering that when in the drugstore for some other reason and confronted with a display full of golf-ball-shaped white chocolate truffles. (I thought they were hilarious. So did the person I sent them to. They were apparently even decent truffles.) It’s remembering that a partner expressed a somewhat whimsical desire to own an airship and responding with a book on dirigibles. It’s knowing that a partner loves backrubs, and giving them. It can be built on a history of shared jokes and knowledges, on familiarity; it can also be built on the sudden revelation of insight into what another person would like.

In short, romantic love parses to me as the ability to remember what pleases a partner, the urge to do something about it, sometimes on a whimsy, and the ability to manage successful implementation of same. And I think that’s important for the sorts of relationships I want, yes: I want relationships in which both parties occasionally feel the urge to do something to bring joy to the other and can delight in that accomplishment.

Someone wanting to demonstrate romantic love for me wouldn’t successfully do so with cut flowers. On the other hand, my husband said I could buy a potted jasmine plant today, and it looks like it’ll bloom soon. . . .
I think infatuation is pretty well overrated; but then I’m the sort of cynical hag who tends to refer to the limerance period of a relationship as “the pink fluffy stupids”. I’ve made a lot of dumb-ass judgements in the first year of various relationships; I don’t think something that encourages dumb-ass judgements in me is going to boost the prospects for an enduring and satisfying relationship in any other way than being sure it ends quickly so I waste a minimum of time. :wink:

Romance is very important in maintaining a long-term relationship. Ultimately, the more mundane aspects of life and how well the couple gets along in those regards will determine the ultimate fate of the relationship. But spicing it up with romantic trappings on a regular basis helps keep the relationship from becoming too mundane…from getting in a rut, from taking one another for granted.

A relationship can’t survive on romance alone…a couple would have to get past that stage and find deeper connections than romantic moments in order to last. However, it would be wrong to say that a relationship can thrive without romance. Survive, perhaps, but I should hope that survival isn’t satisfactory to someone who truly wants to feel love.

I could give you a chance to find out, but you’d probably be late all the time, so it would never work out. :wink: :slight_smile: