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Okay… yes, I agree, it makes for some interesting permutations. The rules I’ll be using will have more than just a pair of win conditions, but there won’t be the same kind of potential conflicts (I hope) that might in some conditions urge people to do aim to get lynched.

It’s a good thing it didn’t come down to a mason claiming to be the recruit and asking for a lynch.

Hmm… looks like you can go ahead and say it. :wink:

:smiley: I appreciated a lot of your posts. It was a lot of fun, having you two secretly on my side. I really thought we had it wrapped up at a few points. But then the day before I was killed, I figured that it was much more likely that Masons would start dropping like flies, and that I was almost certainly pegged as one. It was really hard to hide, and as a newbie, I had a hard time figuring out what lines I could and couldn’t cross.

For example, I thought my mentioning the Masons several times was way too bold–no one would expect a Mason to come right out and talk about them as much as I did. People would look back and I would be hiding in plain sight. But then the game got smaller, and there had to be three Masons around, at least (in order for win conditions to be fair), so it just made me look obsessed with Masons. And therefore…very Mason-like. I’d lay lower if I could do it again. Looking back, I want to smack myself. Sorry if I outed us.

Also, I want to put in my two cents about recruitment: I don’t think it’s very fair if it can be used so late in the game. It basically re-set the entire game for us, and the fun of the game, for me, was going back through old posts and voting patterns and looking for scum tells and scummy actions. The Mafia played it very smart, but we played pretty smart too. And now it’s practically on a coin flip. I’m completely sure it isn’t Diggit. Since the other players will probably come around to agree with me on that, Diggit has to choose. It’s not all lost, though.

GO DIGGIT!!

But…no, he’s lying! Cookies is the third Mason!

Psyche. :slight_smile:

Yes, obviously it’s Diggit…meaning I can reveal all I know. When I have time, tomorrow.

Looks like Cookies took a shot at Diggit despite the mason claim. That can’t be good for Cookies.

Why the hell didn’t Diggit roleclaim! Well, that at least explains why and how Hal could be so forceful in lynching Blaster Master. But all that tirial tirade could have been averted with a nice simple Mason claim by Diggit. Most of the town saw that Millit’s death proved a non-mason was recruited. Barring a counter claim (which would be very dumb of scum), I think tirial would even be convinced to back off of Diggit. I’m not sure if that ends up being mathematically better for the town or not, but at the very least tirial wouldn’t have been driven mad. Actually, not claiming was kind of cruel of the masons. They could back each other up, leaving tirial very very frustrated. In light of this, I don’t blame him (her) from going wacky (different kind of wacky) at all.

Cookies is scum.

I absolutely agree. For a long while I thought Diggit was a mason, and then I started to wonder because he got really close to getting lynched a couple of times and never claimed. Then the only way anyone could conceive that he was scum was if he was recruited, but as has been pointed out, logistically, it wouldn’t make sense for a mason to kill his other masons… unless he was deliberately doing it to throw people off his tail, and even then… that’s highly risky.

I have to say, despite all the controversy over all the “screw ups” in this game, it came out remarkably balanced, down to the last possible moment. Then again, I’m not sure if that’s because of, or in spite of, all the background drama.

In spite of. No, because of. Wait…which one reflects best on me? :slight_smile:

Eh, even though we’ve mathematically got a 2/3 chance of winning, the trouble is that everyone seems to believe Diggit’s mason claim, given that there’s no way he’d kill off his fellow masons even if he was a mason/scum. So nesta will vote Cookies and Cookies will vote nesta, and Diggit’s choice will decide the game.

Ok, since this won’t give any unknown info, I’ll toss this out here now. My apologies to any town that got in the way of the Masonic dream…sorry, but when you’re building a utopia, you can’t let niggling things like “innocent blood being spilled” get in the way.


Thought I’d start taking down notes for when this is all over.

Waiting for Sunrise #6
What a fricking debacle. Lightnin’ swings, and I know that two of the four votes he received are from townies (my fellow Masons)! That leaves DarkSideCookies, who I was quite suspicious of for most of the game (but that is wavering juuust a bit), and nesta, who I’m 99.9% positive is scum. But hey…if there is to be any chance of a Mason win, some townies gotta swing too.

Waiting for Sunrise #7
Ok, we’ve nailed Lemur (well, I didn’t personally vote for him, but I didn’t need to…had the voting been anywhere near close, I’d have switched over to him). That’s very good, but now some more townies need to go.

I’m going to work on the assumption that the Mafia started with four. Add one recruit, subtract the two we’ve lynched already, and that leaves three scum and nine townies. If we want the Mason victory (and I sure as hell want to at least try for it), then the town needs it’s numbers thinned. SCL looks like the perfect candidate – she’s under very heavy suspicion, although I’m pretty sure she’s innocent. Now I just have to hope that she can be taken out without me getting my hands dirty, and preferably without Millit or Diggit voting for her as well. Especially Diggit – he’s attracting far too much notice lately…hope he doesn’t have to role-claim any time soon.

Dawn, Day #7
Woohoo! We lost another townie! Errr…I man…damn! We lost another townie! No, wait…ahhh, it’s kinda tricky being semi-scummy. Well, that leaves us at three scum, eight townies. Still a long way to go. We have to have no more than two (non-Mason) townies when the last of the mob swings, and that’s assuming all three of us are there at the end. Not gonna be easy.

Well, let’s help speed things along, shall we? As I said yesterday, SCL is a perfect patsy – almost certainly town, but with just enough eau de scum to make her nicely lynchable.

My apology in Post #1821 is sincere, however. Just because I’m playing this in such a Machiavellian fashion doesn’t mean I relish lynching the innocent. <sigh>…Such is the cost of world domination.

A bit past dawn, Day #7

And my theory is shut the hell up!! Of course she’s bring framed! And this is a good thing for us! Unless, of course, this is a brilliant plan to make yourself look highly un-scummy/un-Masonic. In that case, way to go! :slight_smile:

Waiting for Sunrise #8
<Sigh…> I genuinely like SCL, and so I’m sad to see her go. Yes, I realize that I voted for her to swing, even being quite certain that she was town, but still…I wish others wouldn’t have latched on to the way known scum pointed at her and made her an inviting target.

Once my Masonic brethren and I establish our New World Order, one of my first acts will be to establish the world’s finest animal shelter in SCL’s name.

Dawn, Day #8
Muhahaha!

I didn’t mean to, but I actually made that noise in real life when I looked at the updated player list. My wife now thinks I’m officially wacked.

But hey, that double-night kill makes things so much easier for us to establish our NWO. Ok, let’s see where we stand:

Members Of The Glorious Masonic Order:
Hal Briston
Millit the Frail
DiggitCamara

Others:
ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies
nesta
tirial
Blaster Master
Rachm Qoch

Now, let’s see…if we want a Mason win, we need to make sure that we lynch scum today, and that the mob kill non-Masonic town tonight. That will leave (depending on assumed starting scum numbers and recruitment) one or two scum and one or two town. If we pull that off, then we’ll be standing on the threshold of our Glorious New Masonic Future!

Midday, Day #8
Finally, we have someone nibbling at my gambit! Master Blaster, I’m not going to come out and say this publicly just yet, but ooo, do I ever have a big 'ol FOS for you.

You know my battles with nesta? Well, a couple of days ago I came to think I’m dead wrong about him. However, if I keep attacking him, then maybe, just maybe, when someone joins in the fray (on either side…doesn’t matter if they come after me or nesta), then I’m thinking there’s a good chance that someone will be scum. After all, they’ll have a good town v. town battle going on. They can fan the flames, get one lynched, and make the other look like scum. Smart move on the scum part. Unless, of course, it’s a trap.

Hopefully, Master Blaster will keep up the attack on nesta, which would help confirm my suspicions.

Later Midday, Day #8
Ok, I’m pretty sure I’ve got this nailed down. Through tirial’s hypothesis, and plenty of tracking back through his posts, I’m leaning strongly toward Rachm being scum. And even thought Blaster hasn’t really pressed his attack against nesta, I’m still going to work under the belief that Rachm and Blaster are the two remaining scum.

I can’t see any reason for them to have recruited yet, so if we manage to lynch one of these two today, and I’m right about them, then it looks like tomorrow will probably come with a no-kill. Then what? tirial has role-claimed as the doctor, so he’s the most obvious choice. However, scum will know that and will probably avoid him…unless, of course, they know that we know it’s the most obvious choice, so they recruit him as a double-bluff move. Meh…who the hell knows.

Hey, something just occurred to me – I may very well wind up being recruited tonight. Combine a few facts – I was pushing really damn hard for Rachm’s lynching, and I have never, not once, had anyone vote against me – looks like I’m pretty trusted. Prime recruitment material. Man, that’d be sweet…wanna see how fast I take out the mob from within, all in the name of the Masons? :slight_smile:

Dusk, Day #8
Woohoo! Buh-bye Rachm! Another scum down!

So let’s see…three Masons, one scum remaining (which will probably be up to two by morning) and three straight townies. If the scum recruit town, then all we have to do is eliminate the two scum and we have a Mason win. If they recruit a Mason, then we’ll need scum to make a townie kill tomorrow night before blowing cover.

Got an interesting endgame ahead of us!

Dawn, Day #9
Ok, we’ve got our recruitment…or so it would seem, anyway. It wasn’t me, so I can’t say anything for sure, but I can’t see them having already recruited and then doing a no-kill bluff last night – that’d be straight-up stupid.

So now it’s going to be a matter of getting people’s eyes off of Diggit and onto Blaster. What I can’t figure out is why everyone is still so gung-ho about finding scum. I mean, yeah, I’m leading a “lynch the scum” charge, but that’s for purely pro-Mason reasons. I guess none of the townies have done the math and realized that the Masons are more of a threat to their victory than the mafia are. Hey, if that’s the case, then woohoo. If Diggit or Nesta were recruited, then all we have to do is lynch the one who recruited them and the town is ours. If it was someone else, then we’ve still got a bit more work ahead of us, but things are still looking pretty good. Just gotta keep votes away from Diggit

Midday, Day #10
Been away for several days, so it’s time to play catch-up here.

Woohoo for nailing Blaster Master, boo for the final scum picking off Millet. If the three of us were still alive, then a Mason win would be in the bag. Ah well…there’s a good chance that Diggit and I will have to settle for a town win, which I can certainly live with. In order for us to get a Mason win, we’d have to lynch town tonight and then have the final scum kill the final vanilla townie. Not impossible, but not very likely.

I’ll probably go with a vote for tirial – he’s the most likely scum candidate, and if I’m wrong, well, then the Mason win is still on the table. If that turns out to be the case, though, it’s hard to imagine that both Diggit and I would survive the night. The way I always pushed Diggit’s innocence should be a major Mason tell to anyone who was paying attention.

Dusk, Day #10
Well, the doc wasn’t recruited after all, and now he’s dangling. Now it all comes down to who the remaining scum targets tonight. If it’s a Mason, the game goes on with no more chance of a Mason win…if it’s the remaining vanilla townie, then a Mason win is in the bag.

I’d doubt we’ll be that lucky.

Since Doctor tirial wasn’t recruited, it looks like his claim of protecting me the other night was honest…that means the scum was looking to kill me the other night, and I see no reason why they wouldn’t try it again. So let’s see here…let’s say I do wake up dead tomorrow…that’ll leave Mason Diggit, plus one scum and one town in nesta and Cookies. Once it comes out that I was a Mason, it’ll be obvious that Diggit was as well, given my constant defense of him. I guess nesta and Cookies will just call each other scum, and leave it up to Diggit. A Mason win will no longer be a consideration. Choosing correctly gives the town a win, choosing wrong will leave only the single scum standing after Diggit gets a nighttime shiv between the ribs. Yikes…not an enviable position.

Dawn, Day #11
But not for me… :frowning:

Off to the forbidden thread!

Hal, you…you…“eau de scum”, indeed!

What can I say? I’m sorry we won’t be building the SCL Memorial Animal Shelter. Shame, really…the blueprints were magnificent…

Ouch. Painfully true.

So what say the rest of you? Who get’s your vote for “remaining scum” (those who did the recruiting are invited to abstain)?

I’m going back to my old target…vote nesta.

Vote Diggit! :smiley:

Aw, well, I was going to vote Cookies.

This is what I mean by it being almost totally random!

I have no idea. Therefore: Vote Gadarene!

Vote Diggit!

This game is never going to end, is it?

Not at the rate it’s going now. Either way, it’s looking more and more like it’s basically a coin flip. Interestingly enough, it’s in both the mafia’s and the town’s best interest that the two non-masons lurk, because either SHOULD know that the status of the other, and further discussion just risks suspicion, true or false. The best hope is for Diggit to go digging through the last two days of posts at those made by Cookies and nesta and see if he can discern any tells or differences from their earlier behavior.

Either way, I’d really hate to see the game end on a random.org call. :frowning:

I actually really like the idea - I think it’s actually your idea - of having the Day get progressively shorter as the number of players dwindles. Honestly, with three players left, and given, as you say, that it’s not in anyone’s interest to talk too much, there probably won’t be more than half a dozen posts between now and when the game Day ends on Friday. If the Day ended tonight, it wouldn’t affect the game, but it would keep it from being as anticlimactic as it looks like it’s going to be.

Yes, it was my idea to have a progessively shorter Day to avoid these kinds of stale moments. I’d have been perfectly happy if the Day was only two or days here. I just think a random.org call is about as anti-climactic as the game could possibly be. I think if either team is going to lose, they’d rather lose because someone found a tell, or failed to find a tell, than simply because they couldn’t make a decision. That said, even if Diggit does result to a random, or mostly random choice, I hope he can at least justify it with saying he’s going with his gut.