Fork Hillary - The Wooden Stake

[E-Sabbath]

(dupe)

[John_Mace]

@Liberal

It’s just such a crying shame that she has no sense of anything outside herself. Even **John Mace ** can defend her only on the basis of her doing what’s best for herself. Like some of her former supporters have said, she has blown the chance to be a key player in the most monumentally significant election of the modern age. She could have been a leader, marshalling her supporters to join in making history. But as it is, she has become an embarassment to her own party leadership and has lost possibly forever the famous black voting block that she and her husband rode to power. She’s now nothing more than a nuisance that Obama will have to make plans basically to avoid. She has been mathematically dead for a long time, but her pride, ego, and greed overwhelmed her. She’s become a laughingstock. Something to puzzle over and pity. Her place in history will be as the kook who nearly ruined her party at a time when it was trying to shine. I say “nearly” because at some point, even her own supporters will come to their senses and abandon her. God, just the image of Congress begging her to behave like a civilized human being will haunt her for the rest of her days. The only ones left defending her will be the right wing because of her heroic efforts to get their guy elected. I’m just about worn out with her.

ETA:

John, your defense of her wouldn’t ring quite so hollow if it weren’t in such stark contrast to the criticisms from Rendell, Rankel, Rosen, and others. They know what they’re talking about.

I’m not defending her. I just think it’s odd to be bashing her so much even after she said she’ll step down. Frankly, Liberal, you have always hated her passionately. I don’t think you’re an objective observer when it comes to Hillary. I’ve done my share of Hillary bashing when I thought it was appropriate-- like Tues/Wed when it looked like she might try and still run her campaign even though Obama had the delegates lined up. But it’s over. Do you guys just love drama so much that you have to drum some up when it’s not there?

[Liberal]

@John Mace

I’m not defending her. I just think it’s odd to be bashing her so much even after she said she’ll step down.

The point is that she HASN’T said she’ll step down. She has said that she’ll step back for the time being and keep her name in the hat in case something happens. Haven’t you been reading the thread?

Do you guys just love drama so much that you have to drum some up when it’s not there?

Not there? Are you joking? You blame us for her dramatic 5-60 day one-step-at-a-time quasi-concession? If she had acknowledged his victory Tuesday night and endorsed him, instead of pushing everybody into a cave where they couldn’t get any news, allowing herself to be introduced as “the next president of the United States”, and calling South Dakota “the last primary” — in other words, if she had behaved like a goddamn fucking sentient human being, there wouldn’t be any drama.

[Liberal]

@E-Sabbath

Demconwatch, yesterday.

• Switched Sen. Tim Johnson (SD) from Obama to Clinton

Yep, she got one.

Well, let’s give her a hang.

[BarnOwl]

@John Mace

The better candidate in Nov. Remember when Lieberman got beaten by Lamont in the primary, then went on to win as an independent in the general? Which was the better candidate?

More accurately, it was the dumb ass electorate.

[Cervaise]

@John Mace

She said she was conceding and will do so formally on Saturday. I don’t understand why some feel it’s necessary to insist she won’t do just that. I can understand why she wants to have one last talk with her supporters before she quits, and that she can’t just do that on a moment’s notice.

Give it a rest, guys.

“Forking Hillary,” right now, goes beyond confirming the true end of her campaign. It’s about whether or not Obama surrenders to extortion and names her as VP or otherwise promises her a Cabinet post.

She’s not forked until she’s back in the Senate, full stop.

[Onomatopoeia]

@Cervaise

“Forking Hillary,” right now, goes beyond confirming the true end of her campaign. It’s about whether or not Obama surrenders to extortion and names her as VP or otherwise promises her a Cabinet post.

She’s not forked until she’s back in the Senate, full stop.

Speaking of which, here’s an interesting article I wish Obama’s camp would read about veeping Hillary.

@Wall Street Journal

Obama’s Vice President
In clinching the Democratic Presidential nomination, Barack Obama is now the leader of his party. The first test of his leadership as a potential President will be his response to the extraordinary campaign already underway to bully him into choosing Hillary Clinton as his running mate.

Mrs. Clinton’s tenacity in the primaries deserves credit, and she has earned the respect that Mr. Obama’s remarks on Tuesday night gave her. But as he prepares for November, and perhaps for January, he has earned the right to choose a Vice Presidential nominee with whom he’s comfortable, and on his own timetable. On that score, we were glad to see him name a vetting team yesterday and to appear in no rush to make a selection. --more–

[Shayna]

@Onomatopoeia

Speaking of which, here’s an interesting article I wish Obama’s camp would read about veeping Hillary.

If they haven’t, at least they’ve come to the same conclusion themselves. Watch Obama’s reply re choosing his VP here.

I’m OK with Hillary merely suspending her campaign. It gives her the legal right to continue raising funds to pay off her debts – many of which are to small vendors who haven’t been paid since January. I think she has a moral obligation to do so, and if the only way she can is to suspend rather than end, I think it’s the right thing to do.

[Squink]

Clinton disavows push to make her veep
I love the form of ‘her’ announcement:

“She is not seeking the vice presidency, and no one speaks for her but her,” communications director Howard Wolfson said. “The choice here is Senator Obama’s and his alone.”

[Liberal]

She didn’t even have the decency to inform him personally of her pending alleged suspension and endorsement. Obama found out about it through the media.

[Phlosphr]

@Liberal

She didn’t even have the decency to inform him personally of her pending alleged suspension and endorsement. Obama found out about it through the media.

I made the mistake of going over to her website to see the Clinton supporter reactions. :eek: Talk about reading around in a lions den. Those supporters are voracious! They paint Obama as the anti-christ and Clinton as their savior. They are shouting McCain, McCain, McCain! and every once in a while someone will come around and say, “are you crazy, why would you vote McCain if you know your candidate would never condone voting for McCain.” No one listens and the offender is promptly kicked out.
Jeez! Clinton’s behavior doesn’t surprise me at all. Neither does that of some of her supporters.

[Patty_O_Furniture]

Breaking news: Obama summoned to DC to pay homage to Clinton.

How’s that for some spin?

[silenus]

There’s enough top spin on that link to dizzy an elephant.

Of course, nothing of the sort happened. According to the story, Barack delayed his exit from Washington so he could talk to Hillary, after she disavowed wanting the Veep slot.

Trust the pros, guys. Their not going to fuck it up now, after coming so far.

(Now where did I leave that damned rabbit’s foot?)

[Kolga]

@Shayna

If they haven’t, at least they’ve come to the same conclusion themselves. Watch Obama’s reply re choosing his VP here.

His answer seemed thoughtful, well-crafted, and drama-free.

[Little_Nemo]

You see, I don’t agree with that. I believe that having any Clinton on the ballot, will pull the lack-luster Repubs out in droves. If her behaviour in this primary has managed to turn Democrats against her, I have no doubt the repubs will actual manage to energize their base against her.

I think Obama doesn’t inspire that much of sheer hatred as she does and that’s what’s going to push him through; where I think it would have tied her up.

Passion can be over-rated. People may dislike Obama and vote against him. Those same people might despise Clinton with the raging heat of a million suns - and they vote against her. The Republicans don’t have to convince voters that Obama is as bad as Clinton - they just have to convince enough voters that he’s bad enough.

The real campaign has only just begun. I can guarantee you that the public perception of Barack Obama is going to change in the next five months. Thousands of people are going to be working on trying to push his image in the direction they want it.

Do you think the Democrats picked people like McGovern or Mondale or Dukakis or Kerry because they wanted to lose? Every one of these men looked like a strong candidate when he began his campaign. Next December, Democrats may be asking themselves why they picked an obvious loser like Obama instead of a winner like Clinton.

[DrDeth]

@Liberal

Due respect, but no one is forcing your participation. We’re talking about a person who stepped on an historic moment — the first African-American presidential candidate — deliberately ignoring reality and stumping EVEN AFTER HE WON. .

Dude- he has not won. Obama has 1766 pledged delegates
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_delegate_count.html
out of 2118 needed to win. He has 423 SuperDelegates that have said they will vote for him. WILL. Not have. The Convention is in August and no one has won until the Convention meets and 2118 delegates vote for someone.

Obama is the presumptive nominee.

[DrDeth]

Extreme hatred and name calling of HRC by the Obama-ites is not the way to go. Remember, dudes- HRC was the choice of almost exactly 50% of Democrats.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/democratic_vote_count.html

Gloating, name calling and insults are not the way to mend fences with the other half of the party. It’s bound to piss off a few folks- who, I admit will more likely stay home than vote for McCain.

But in swing states like Fla (where Hillary is very popular), all it takes is about 1/10 of 1% of the vote to push *all *that states electors to the other party.

Look, dudes- it looks like your man won. Be as gracious as your candidate. Reach out and mend some fences or Obama will go down in history as the first black man to lose the Presidential election.

[Onomatopoeia]

@DrDeth

Dude- he has not won. Obama has 1766 pledged delegates
RealClearPolitics - 2008 Democratic Delegates
out of 2118 needed to win. He has 423 SuperDelegates that have said they will vote for him. WILL. Not have. The Convention is in August and no one has won until the Convention meets and 2118 delegates vote for someone.

Obama is the presumptive nominee.

Oh please. By that logic Obama has zero delegates because they’ve all said they WILL vote for Obama, but can change their minds at the convention. Can we at least stipulate, for the sake of preventing a rend in the fabric of space-time in THIS universe, that Obama has the nomination before continuing this discussion?

[Shayna]

@DrDeth

Extreme hatred and name calling of HRC by the Obama-ites is not the way to go. Remember, dudes- HRC was the choice of almost exactly 50% of Democrats.

RealClearPolitics - 2008 Democratic Popular Vote

Gloating, name calling and insults are not the way to mend fences with the other half of the party. It’s bound to piss off a few folks- who, I admit will more likely stay home than vote for McCain.

But in swing states like Fla (where Hillary is very popular), all it takes is about 1/10 of 1% of the vote to push *all *that states electors to the other party.

Look, dudes- it looks like your man won. Be as gracious as your candidate. Reach out and mend some fences or Obama will go down in history as the first black man to lose the Presidential election.

Please stop spamming the board with this same post. It’s actually against the rules as laid out in the Registration Agreement.

Do not post the same or similar messages or threads to multiple forums; multiple threads on the same topic; or an excessive number of threads on any topic within a limited period of time.

And I’m sure we’ll be happy to graciously welcome you to the fold as soon as you graciously accept that Barack Obama has WON and EARNED the nomination, and actually throw your support behind his candidacy, like your candidate will be doing, and will be asking you to do as well.

[Hakuna_Matata]

@Shayna

And I’m sure we’ll be happy to graciously welcome you to the fold as soon as you graciously accept that Barack Obama has WON and EARNED the nomination, and actually throw your support behind his candidacy, like your candidate will be doing, and will be asking you to do as well.

Actually I believe DrDeth is not a Clinton supporter if I recall from another thread, nor is he/she a Obama supporter. Nor has this person said they are a McCain supporter–so to be honest I have no idea where DrDeth stands–other then they like to jump into this threads and take Clinton’s side, yet they then claim they weren’t planning on voting for her. Or why they continue to post in these threads to be honest. I gather it is more of a devils advocate sort of syndrome.