Obama, for one, who called up your boy Pete and convinced him to drop out before Super Tuesday.
You mean all that time they were getting in those deliciously witty lines like “Trump can name his son Baron but he can’t make him a baron”, they were actually engaging in self-indulgent rhetorical masturbation…not totally dunking on Trump like everyone was acting? Naaaahh! I don’t believe it! :smack:
I’m just quoting this to bring it onto the new page so it’s right here where everyone can see it - because every word of it is true.
Can’t imagine why it’s like 95% male up in here. God damn.
Can’t fathom why this place is so overwhelmingly male with these nuanced takes.
Not according to the newspapers I read. They said just the opposite – that Obama talked to Pete after he dropped out.
How about this for why Pete dropped out? In each of the first four contests, he did worse than the one before. And polls showed he had virtually no chance of turning it around.
Until about 1972, politicians mostly picked the nominee. Humphrey, the 1968 nominee, did not compete in the few primaries that year. Since then, voters pick the nominee through delegate selection. I’m not a fan of the system that nominated Donald Trump, but, in both major parties, that’s what we have.
Re the OP issue, this is fair-minded.
I’m sure you meant to say Obama called Buttigieg AFTER he dropped out.
ETA: ninja’d
That’s right, pit genders against each other, then bitch and complain that the vision of society you want hasn’t been manifested. :smack: Such a winning strategy.
Just no sense of irony or self-awareness. It is insane that this place used to be full of thoughtful people. It’s MAGA’s little helper in here.
I don’t entirely agree with the Kavanaugh assessment - at least the allegations against him permanently sullied his boy scout image and forever tarred and feathered him in the public eye. He sucks, and he shouldn’t be on SCOTUS, but his reputation isn’t the pristine charade that it would’ve otherwise been. His dubious ascension strengthens the Democratic case for Court-packing, too, which is something I am 100% gung-ho for.
Every other word of this is true, though.
Man, I just hate so much that we are stuck with Biden. The man is a naive fool who will not accomplish a damn thing, and 2022 will consequently be a Democratic bloodbath. I am far from an SJW cancel culture warrior, but seeing the Democratic contortions and motivated reasoning to sweep the Biden allegations under the rug has totally demoralized me. It’s a total repeat of Republicans and Kavanaugh.
Hopefully somebody like AOC will arise in Biden’s inevitable failure and we might finally get a ruthlessly efficient Democratic president.
Joe Biden got to where he is in no small part due to his strong support with black voters - something that he earned by forging strong connections with black leaders. While I have made no secret of my misgivings about Biden’s electoral chances, one thing I do respect about him is the fact that he was able to make those alliances over the course of his career, and I hope and pray that they will pay dividends in the form of black turnout in the election, which will offset some of Biden’s vulnerabilities in other areas.
So how do you square this with the rest of your narrative? Do you really want to undermine the political capital of black voters? Are you going to tell them they’re voting against their own interests by preferring Biden?
Edit - talking to Organism here.
I dread a ruthless efficient President. When I left the Republican Party in 2016, that was one of the reasons. At the time, the choices were the ruthless efficient Ted Cruz, and the even more ruthless, but less efficient, Donald Trump. Neither appealed to me.
Perhaps AOC can mix me a ruthlessly efficient martini, but that’s about all I expect of her so far.
That is an incorrect statement. Fundraising had slowed after Nevada and basically froze after SC. The money wasn’t coming in to support a campaign going forward, especially with the Bloomberg money machine ahead.
Obama did tell to endorse if he was comfortable once he’d dropped out and I agree. No one wants a damn Hamlet act.
Quick, what was three days before Super Tuesday and how did that primary shake out?
Once again, the tired complaint that utterly ignores the trouncing Buttigieg and Klobuchar suffered in South Carolina is trotted out as “evidence” the DNC made them drop out…
These are facts that I will not debate:
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Biden is the nominee. Unless he dies nobody else will be on the ballot with a D- by their name. Bernie lost, Cuomo is not getting the job.
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The winner of the 2020 Presidential election election will have either an R- or a D- by their name on our ballots.
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Biden is in every single way better than Trump. Anyone who doesn’t think so is living quite a cozy, privileged life, far more so than myself. And even far more than people I care about.
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The person with a D- by their name on my November ballot gets my vote.
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This isn’t partisan. Daylin Leach (Google him) is not my Senator in PA but his district is not far from me and I have donated to his opponents. He’s a shitstain who should resign and I am glad I don’t have to choose between him and a Republican because I would choose the Republican.
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When cosplay liberals are retweeting Fox News, I get a little suspicious. Right Wing Media has weaponized #metoo to make it perfectly consistent for them to defend Republicans accused and still use it as a weapon against Democrats. See Shodan’s illuminating posts in this very thread, for example. If you’re helping that agenda, I don’t trust you.
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Barack Obama had everything thrown against him. Everything. Almost all of it was dumb. Yet somehow having someone who sexually assaulted someone in the hallway of a government building as his co-pilot for his whole agenda escaped their detection? Seems odd that this or anything like it was somehow under the GOP radar for eight-plus years. They dragged his half-brother into semi-limelight, they made big deals out of his pastors and his Secretary of State and that Bill Ayers met him once or twice but the guy he chose to be his VP with things this glaring in his background was off limits somehow?
These are educated guesses:
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Biden is not Kavanaugh. Kavanaugh had three accusers and several more who signed legal documents affirming what happened. Biden has one and a strange mash of anecdotal support. Sexual abusers don’t generally quit after one time, especially when they get away with it. The stuff he was guilty of was of being far more physically affectionate than he should be which is not on par with sexual assault. He admitted it, apologized for it, said he would learn from it. Also I had a hell of a lot of other reasons to dislike Kavanaugh on the Supreme Court.
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I don’t believe Tara Reade. This isn’t because I hate Trump so much I talked myself into not believing her so I could live with myself. I actually admit that I hate Trump so much that even if I knew for a fact that she was right I would still vote for Biden because Trump is worse on everything (including sexual assault which means this isn’t exactly a political Sophie’s Choice).
Yet, I still don’t believe her.
There are so many holes, one or two of which wouldn’t be much, but when you add up the fact that she watched Biden ascend a heartbeat away from the presidency but she remained silent, how she made an accusation that was more in line with creepy than rapey but suddenly changed it when that didn’t get traction, how she changed it at the exact moment when Biden was about to be given the Democratic nod (she seemed very cognizant of this), how she scrubbed the internet and social media of her pro-Putin worship and a general love of Russia, how according to Reade, the sexual assault happened in a semi-public place (Biden is reckless but somehow has no other people accusing him of such things or having seen him do anything like that), and a bunch of other things that this article outlines with references nicely (note that you need to register to read it, though registration is free).
- A friend of mine who is a sexual assault survivor, a feminist, who actually does believe Tara Reade, who probably had half a dozen other candidates she would rather have won the Democratic nod but will still vote for Biden in November pointed out that (and I paraphrase) people who want to weaponize this because their candidate lost and now feminists are supposed to save that situation haven’t been paying attention to this movement and are actually blaming women for a situation that is men’s fault.
Which is to say that this whole issue is pretty complex and those who try and fit it into a Tweet-length attempt to shame or “gotcha” people who are genuinely upset about how this is part of a much bigger societal problem don’t hold much sway with me. Nor should they with you.
- The disingenuous way that Republicans and some lefties are using this is pretty transparent. I’d rather make the mistake of not believing Reade when I should have than falling for the lines of bullshit some people are trying to feed me.
Are you a black voter? You certainly don’t sound like one, so — if not, why are you using the idea of a group of people as a monolithic bloc to make a hackneyed rhetorical point?
“Do you really want to undermine the political capital of black voters?”
You should be ashamed of yourself for even being able to formulate this line of “argument.”
Mask’s off.
You either are or are not tired of voting for goddamned rapists for the highest office in the land. There are about 300 million people in the United States. Figure it out.
Being concerned with historical precedent or “procedure” is not currently useful.
The car is on fire and no one is at the wheel.
You’re a wanker.
And you’re blocked now so wank in places other than my SD feed.
I have a feeling management here will be onto you soon enough to make it unanimous, but I don’t believe in wasting time.
Jesus Christ an actual literal “I’d like to speak to the manager.”