Not really. What it takes to point out hypocrisy when it comes form the other side, yes.
Not very many people here (including the people who identify as Republicans LIKE Trump)
You are one of very few who have said to dump him. Some want a whole other level of investigation (just to be sure), and others don’t care what evidence, they are voting for him anyway (Well, because FUCK TRUMP) and even some others who will pretend this isn’t a thing.
I was not against any investigation into Kavanaugh. I am not against an investigation into Biden.
What I am against is the hypocrisy that gets espoused here when the other side does it.
I have been saying for years, that both sides of the political spectrum are bad.
I can already hear the cries of “Not nearly AS BAD” coming from people who would rather point fingers.
It’s always the big check just to ask questions. Which is what CarnalK was inferring earlier, when he said it wouldn’t be enough for you. It hasn’t been and likely never will be , ENOUGH.
At some point, investigations get slowed, no new evidence is there (like the Kavanaugh case), and the evidence that was presented wasn’t credible ENOUGH to stop a confirmation hearing.
I predict the same thing here. Not necessarily because the Democrats want to cover it up but simply because evidence that is so far past is HARD to corroborate. NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU SPEND.
This is just ridiculous. It didn’t even take an investigation (beyond publicly available info) to have “ENOUGH” info to dump Franken (rightly so). And we didn’t require the pitiful non-investigation into Kavanaugh to rightly determine that he was unacceptable for SCOTUS based on his personal conduct (i.e. how he responded to the allegations against him). And I’d happily dump Biden right this minute, if it were up to me. But it’s not, and an investigation is the best those of us who value opposing sexual assault are likely to get right now. And sometimes, investigations actually find evidence confirming or refuting allegations – for example, Cosby, Weinstein, the Duke Lacrosse case that was determined to be a hoax, and many more. Real and thorough investigations very often actually are “ENOUGH”, but they often don’t occur.
Yes, it would likely be very hard. So what? Are you advocating that nothing be done, and this allegation be ignored? An investigation might not turn up anything at all. But maybe it will. We don’t know if a real and thorough investigation into Kavanaugh would’ve turned up anything, because there wasn’t such an investigation. We do know that it turned up facts – even old facts – for Cosby and Weinstein.
If you’re advocating that investigations are dumb, then I strongly disagree. If you’re not arguing that, then I’m not sure what you’re arguing beyond some sort of specific personal criticism against me.
Not necessarily. It’s a potential quandary. If the two candidates for President are both guilty of sexual harrassment, what do you do? And if one of them is Donald Fucking Trump, what does a good person do? Quandary.
While a Sanders comeback is looking decidedly less likely, the Democratic primaries are not done at this point, much less back then. There is absolutely no reason for the Republicans (and especially Trump’s campaign) to use any of their ammunition against someone who is not the Democratic candidate this far before the elections, and plenty of reasons for them not to. Once Biden is actually running against Trump and not against Sanders (the rest of the field is gone at this point), then the Republicans will start seriously campaigning against him, and bring out the big guns. And even then, they’ll probably hold some of this back until closer to the election - like has been pointed out on this thread, there’s plenty of time for investigation now.
As far as voting in the GE between Biden and Trump, in most conceivable outcomes for this sexual assault allegation you’re right.
Rationally the only voters this should matter for are people who would vote for Trump based on his policies but want to vote for his opponent due to his sexual misconduct accusations. I think this is an astronomically small group, so I don’t think it’s the main issue.
The main issue as far as GE politics goes is that if this story has legs, it’s a huge enthusiasm swing in favor of Trump. Voters aren’t entirely rational and this will lead left-leaning voters to stay home and right-leaning voters to show up at the polls more than if the story doesn’t go anywhere.
This accusation is coming out at a weird time because the DNC could try to take some drastic measure to overrule the primary delegate math and choose someone they think they think is safer than Biden. I don’t think it makes sense to do that without more corroboration of the accusation, but there needs to be some way to avoid going into a general election if this story does really go somewhere and more evidence builds to support this accusation, or if more accusers come forward. I don’t know how the party should manage that. I do think if the DNC just has to throw out the delegate rules and meet in a smoke-filled room to pick a candidate (an outcome which I hope the party manages to avoid) they should pick either Buttigieg or Klobuchar.
If Biden does get the nomination and it ends up looking likely that he is a rapist it frankly is a terrible look for the country. Because of FPTP, people will basically have to vote a candidate with sexual assault accusations, which therefore means that powerful men being unaccountable for their sex crimes is just something we life with, essentially exactly the cultural issue that MeToo was aimed at fighting.
That’s all well and good but you said that you had no doubt a flood of similar accusations will follow. So what’s with this bullshit “wait and see” stance?
Yup. “Gaffey Joe” has absolutely NO charisma, NO personality, NO accomplishments, and NO message to try to sell to the U.S. electorate. In other words: he sucks. Way to go, Dems - NOT!
Yes, and not to mention she is a big Sanders supporter, and people are saying she is just doing this to get Sanders the Nom.
Or to make sure America pays for it’s error in not letting Sanders win.
She had a somewhat believable story, that Biden hugged her and that was unwelcome. And yes, I could accept Biden doing that, altho he didnt remember it.
But first she was Bidens buddy and she thought he was great. Then she claimed he hugged her at a unwelcome time. Now she’s claiming rape- just as her candidate sanders is about to concede.:dubious:
See, a long time lapse is understandable if the accussee is now just thrust upon the national stage, like Kavanaugh or Thomas. But this happened in 1993. Since then, Biden was Veep for 8 years- why not speak out then? And then Biden ran for President in 2016- why not speak out then? And why not speak out when Biden began his 2020 campaign.
But why oh why would a Sanders supporter chose *this *moment, when Biden has pretty much won and sanders has no real chance- to speak out?:rolleyes: why? It’s obvious.