http://seerpress.com/cablevision-joins-fox-dish-tv-fray/9873/
Fox wants to kick its cost for its programming from 70 million to 150 million per year. Dish has refused to pay the increase and Fox has quit supplying some of the programming.
I have Fox Sports for Detroit Tiger , Piston and Red Wing games. I pay an extra 5 bucks a month. Suddenly ,it is gone. Next week the impasse will result in all Fox programming ending for Dish users. That ends House, playoff baseball, Glee and other programs.
Comcast is now getting into the fight. They have been running ads trying to lure people away from Dish by saying they will have those shows. Now they may not either.
Hows it going to end, higher prices and more money for Fox. Whoopie.
This sort of thing happens every once in a while. It’s the standard fight about retransmission fees. Cablevision got into a fight with ABC back in March and Scripps Howard in January, and Dish Network dropped some of their Disney feeds recently. Eventually one side will cave.
It will end up costing me more or giving me less for the same money.
HuffPost - Breaking News, U.S. and World News | HuffPost Baseball and football games may be blacked out by Fox. That will piss people off.
I’m kinda curious how MLB feels about being used as a thick club. Do you think they like it very much? Think they might have something to say to Fox?
Lion home games ,if not blacked out, are on Fox in Detroit. That means they are using the NFL as a lever too.
Well, sure. That’s really the only lever a broadcaster has. And Fox realizes you’ll get mad. They just hope you’ll get madder at Dish Network or Comcast than at them.
But, you know, who knows which side is really right here? How much is Fox’s broadcasting really worth?
That is the question. Dish says they pay 70 mill and Fox wants 150. More than double generally means they will settle near the middle, merely adding 50 percent to viewers bills. I would seriously consider other options but what are they ?. Comcast is getting the same message from Fox. I have been paying every month for the extra coverage and now I do not get it. Dish has given me other channels to compensate ,but that is not what I opted in for.
Besides ,I thought the economy was bad. How do they get off more than doubling the price ?
Losing It’s always sunny in philadelphia, and eventually Archer and Justified on FX annoys me the most out of this debacle.
This is the sort of thing that drives people online to find their fave programs from less than legitimate sources. In the long run that’s going to hurt broadcasters more than Comcast or Dish.
I know I can get absolutely every single program I watch from usenet binary download (wouldn’t touch torrents), but I still subscribe to Directv and I always will - or to some other premium content provider like Fios. I don’t dl most stuff I watch because a) I want to support the programs I like and b) it’s a pain in the ass to do that for everything - not to mention the bandwidth you use. That’s not an issue for me with a cable modem but it still takes time and slows down your connection for however many hours it takes to dl everything.
But if these kinds of outages become common, everybody will be getting their kids or their neighbor’s kids to help them set up torrent dl’ing and maybe even usenet (for those that even know it still exists). I think Fox underestimates how adaptable and resourceful people can be when it comes to something that matters to them - and as shallow as it may seem, people regard their favorite shows as important. I certainly do.
I would have to find Lion football, Tiger baseball, Red Wing Hockey, Piston basketball , Fringe, House and a few others. Not easy.
I had Dish network about ten years ago and really disliked the service. The main thing was that they were not allowed to show local TV stations. I am stuck in the 80’s in my TV habits and I want my CBS, ABC, NBC, FOX affiliates, and basic cable.
For some reason, my friend who lived in the same town as I had the local network channels, but the “rule” or whatever bullshit it was prevented me from getting it. When I complained and tried to point out that my friend gets the local programming, again I was refused because of a rule.
I was told that I should buy a pair of “rabbit ears”. I went WTF, it is the 21st Century. No one has f’ing rabbit ears anymore, even the poorest person now has cable. I bought the rabbit ears and still wasn’t getting my local channels. Unfortunately cable was an option where I lived. it was that Dish shit or nothing.
I don’t see why anyone even bothers with a TV anymore anyway. Get a computer and find all your programming there.
This was due to the local channels, not Dish. We had minimal cable because of this problem, but as soon as the issue went away, we got (and now get) all the local channels over Dish. And the few times I’ve had to call their technical support line, they answered immediately, had some automated debug options that really made sense (and let you skip the suggestions if you tried already) and always had people who stuck around as long as necessary, knew what they were doing, and actually treated you as someone who knew the thing had to be plugged in.
There seem to be full page ads in the Times every week or so with some cable channel and cable network yelling at each other. Everyone is trying to get the last penny out of us.
I have Dish, but if Fox programming went away I’d never notice. I’d pay extra on my bill if they pulled Faux News. 
Personally, I watch probably 30 channels out of the 200 or so that I get. I would kill to be able to just pick and choose to only get the channels I actually watch, menu style. I will say that I have never watched a home shopping channel, sport channel, hispanic channel or black channel in my life. Only news channel I watch is CNN, and that is only during very specific times [typically it was when we were in active war and mrAru was still in the military, or the whole 9=11 kerfluffel. Oddly enough, I was actually watching it on 9-11 when they went to live coverage] I tend to watch movie channels, history/documentary based channels, SF channel. Only network shows I watch with any regularity are Bones and NCIS.
It would not break my heart if I could actually go to an ‘itunes’ sort of computer channel and look at everything that was on schedule during the average week, and pick and choose every program I wanted to watch at a buck each, and the computer would download them into a DVR equivalent box sort of like Netflix does with movies, on demand. No actual cable company or channels,just a huge list of movies, shows and sports. The cable box would perhaps be the local channels and your selected news channel or something.
We have Dish in Fort Worth, and we get all the local channels.
If we hit a certain combo of buttons on the remote, we can set up our own channel listings. My husband has various sport channels, and I think the Military channel, and some other channels that show up on his personal listings, and I have other channels. Neither of us have any of the Hispanic or religious channels. Of course, these channels are offered in the bundle we have, we just don’t have to scroll through the things when we select our personal channel listings from the remote.
Um, turning off the idiot box is one…
It harms Dish but not Comcast. People want the content and don’t care how it’s delivered. Many turn to the internet as an alternative delivery method. The content providers don’t mind how you get it, as long as they can sell advertising.
Cable providers wisely prophesied this many years ago and in most communities, people have the same carrier for the internet as for TV. Comcast doesn’t lose out. But satellites don’t work as well for internet connections and Dish is at a disadvantage. This is why they as fighting Fox so hard over fees.
Dish is the new Blockbuster. Soon most programming will be delivered over the internet and your TV will be integrated into your PC. Dish is struggling to find their place in the new paradigm.
All Fox channels were recently turned off in the Northeast in a dispute with Cablevision. The heart of the dispute is that Fox is at the forefront of charging carriers for what used to be free channels, 2 - 13. My cable company gets $40 for basic cable - ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX, PBS plus National Geographic, VH1 and WGN Superstation. That’s a hefty profit. If the big three wanted money too, the rate for cable would go up to the point where many would cancel.
Once your customer is no longer using you for TV, it’s harder to reel them in on an internet bundle. Internet service doesn’t cost the carriers much at all if you already use them for TV. But they get an additional $40 to deliver the net down the already installed wire.
Watching Lion game on Fox now. Perhaps not in the future. I do watch NFL. I also read and do the internet while the game goes on.
besides that attitude is off point and not responsive to the thread. The point is Fox is trying to stick it to their subscribers and will shut off programming to get their way.
Hey, Cablevision and Fox* are currently locked in a death match here in NYC. Brooklyn and the Bronx are currently Simpson-House-Glee-and-Giants-Football-less and if it goes on through the World Series, things will hit the fan.
- Fox News Channel is not affected. Oh goody.