Free Canada!

For most of my life, Canada has been to the left of the United States. We had bigger government, higher taxes, more debt, and more regulations. We have also under-performed the U.S. Our dollar dropped by 30% against the U.S. dollar, our standard of living didn’t rise as fast, and our per-capita GDP lagged.

Now, the tables have turned. Cato’s Economic Freedom of the World has for the first time ranked Canada as being more economically free than the United States.

An article in the Washington Post last week has some charts which highly the dramatic changes Canada has undergone in the past two decades:

  • Government spending has dropped from a peak of 53% in 1992 to 39% today. In the meantime, the U.S. has gone from a low of 34% in 2000, to 38% today. Next year, the curves will cross and the U.S. will have a bigger government as a share of GDP than does Canada.

  • Canada’s debt was 70% of GDP in 1994. In 2008, it had dropped to 32%. The U.S. debt was at a low of 33% in 2001, but will hit 60% next year, and is projected to go over 80% by the end of Obama’s term.

  • Canada has been running surplus budgets for ten years - all from cutting spending. We’re running a small deficit this year, but nothing remotely close to the U.S.'s. We’re in a position to be running surpluses again when the economy recovers, while the U.S. will be running trillion dollar deficits indefinitely.

  • We re-structured our pension plans in the 1990’s, and they are now fully funded. The U.S. pension system will go broke in a couple of decades.

  • Canada is now more decentralized, with 41% of our government being controlled by the feds, vs 62% in the U.S. And the U.S. federal government is rapidly growing in power and control in the U.S.

  • In 2001, Canada’s corporate tax rate was higher than the U.S.'s. It’s now lower, and by 2012 will be almost half the U.S rate.

  • Canadians have always paid higher individual taxes than the U.S. This is no longer the case. When Bush’s tax cuts expire, our personal rates will be about the same. With Obama’s proposed tax increases, Canada’s personal rate will be lower than the U.S.'s.

  • Canada’s tax system will be less progressive than the U.S’s, because we raise more tax money from sales and excise taxes.

This short article at Cato describes some of the other ways in which Canada is now freer than the U.S.

Lots of items for debate here. First, it seems to me that we have a good test of the stimulus plan. Canada didn’t not do anywhere near the same amount of stimulus as the U.S. Would following the relative economic performances of the U.S. vs Canada be a good way to measure whether or not the stimulus worked?

What other effects can we expect to see if this trend continues? For example, Canada has historically suffered a ‘brain drain’ to the U.S. - our best doctors, engineers, scientists, and others have moved to the U.S. in search of better living standards and lower taxes. Will that reverse? Will we see high income Americans moving to Canada to escape high taxes and regulation?

How about business? Are we going to see an increase in business investment in Canada?

Will Canada’s GDP growth start to outstrip the U.S’s? Will the difference in standards of living start to reverse?

One effect is already becoming apparent - the U.S. dollar has been weakening because of debt pressure. Last October, the Canadian dollar was worth 77 cents against the American dollar. Today it’s at 89 cents.

So, what does the future hold for Canada with respect to the U.S? Is Canada rising? Any predictions for what the two countries will look like in 10 or 20 years?

Lovely little country you’ve got there, Sam. Be a shame if anything were to…happen to it!

At any rate, you stop a bit short, opinion wise. We might like to ask, for instance, if this were a result of the dreaded creeping Socialism, or something that occurred in spite of same?

*With purchase of a Canada of equal or greater value.

I don’t follow the Canadian economy much but Fareed Zakaria had a good articleabout Canada a while back. One point to note that is that in one important respect the Canadian government has been more interventionist than the US:

The other interesting thing is that these supposedly pro-growth policies haven’t actually lead to an increase in growth. If you look at the Candian gdp growth figures, they were actually superior in the mid-late 90’s and have flattened out to under 3% over the last five years. It may be that Canada just avoided the housing-led bubble but still there is little evidence so far that its policies over the last 10 years have improved growth rates.

Zakaria also talks about immigration policies and it appears that Canada is much more friendly to skilled immigrants than the US. For example:

If these differences persist I could see high-tech firms gradually shifting to Canada. But my bet is the US will be smart enough to change policy before that happens. And I don’t think Canada can quite compete with the depth and wealth of the top US universities.

Dammit there’s always a catch.

The big question in my mind is whether or not this wide variety of incremental advantageses in Canada will be seen as 1) relatively permanent enough, and 2) sufficient to attract businesses to Canada. The brain drain may flow the other way for a while, but it seems there’s a larger, more subtle brain drain that can’t be reversed, that’s typified by my MBA brother, who moved to Ohio to take an executive track job with a large corporation, and has no intention of returning mainly because there aren’t the same size companies in Canada.

Two years ago we compared our taxes, and found that mine, living in BC, were lower, though I’m a single employable male with basically no deductions except RRSP contributions, earning a comparable salary, while he has a wife and two children. Socially, my brother is very much in line with moderate Canadian political culture (i.e., “lower my taxes, and who gives a shit if gays marry?”). The rest of our family is here. The only thing keeping him in the U.S. is that that’s where big corporate jobs are, and his opportunities to reach high-paying executive positions would be much more limited here.

So, Canada for culture, and America for greed?

The question is whether or not big corporations will stay in the U.S. Clearly a whole corporation isn’t about to move, but when looking to expand with new production or new R&D facilities, Canada is going to become increasingly attractive.

Also, our more liberal immigration policies - especially when it comes to high-tech workers - could result in a Canada that is increasingly seen as the place to be for R&D and innovation. It used to be that these immigrants would come to Canada, but then eventually drift to the U.S. because of the various tax advantages and access to capital. But with our capital gains tax being lower than the U.S.'s, and corporate taxes being only half, I have to think that a lot of venture capital will increasingly look at Canada.

In addition, if the U.S. debt does go to 80% of GDP or even higher, Canada will increasingly look like the stable place in North America to park your money. Our banking system is also more sound. The net result could be a Canadian dollar that winds up being stronger than the U.S. dollar.

I think the relative results between Canada and the U.S. are going to make for an interesting comparison. The U.S. is engaging in a grand liberal experiment, and Canada is abandoning its own. Hopefully, after a decade or two we’re going to really be able to see which philosophy works better.

Also, if the stimulus doesn’t work as advertised, it will be very hard for liberals to say, “It did work - things would have been even worse without it”, if Canada winds up outperforming the U.S. without its own big stimulus.

I don’t see that at all. The economic situations in the two countries aren’t very comparable going in to the recession, so differing behaviour during the recession will demonstrate pretty much nothing whatsoever with regards to the efficacy of stimulus. Plus the Canadian government has spent/is spending a bucketload on stimulus as well.

It should be noted as well that, due to the pervasive liberal bias in the media, the news of Canada’s abandonment of its liberal experiment has yet to be released.

It’s been attractive for a long time; Canada having national health care alone suffices for that.

What “grand liberal experiment” ? America is still massively right wing.

And even if I bought everything you say, it ignores the fact that not everyone regards economic performance as the totality of all that is important in life. In fact, most people outside of America don’t; the “The Economy is God” mindset is very American.

Canada hasn’t been screwed over by conservatives like America, so it doesn’t have as much damage to recover FROM.

We’re not spending anything close to what the U.S. is spending. Canada’s stimulus is $40 billion over five years. The U.S.'s is almost a trillion dollars for the explicit stimulus package, plus the U.S is increasing its deficit spending by about half a trillion to a trillion dollars a year, not including the stimulus package. As a percentage of GDP, Canada’s stimulus over five years is maybe 1/4 that of the U.S.

And yes, they are very different economies, but there are enough similarities and enough historical data to make comparisons between policy changes. Maybe not perfect ones, but close enough to be useful. Economists make such comparisons all the time.

I still fail to see how handing out money to corporations qualifies as “liberal”.

But you just finished saying we were abandoning our grand liberal experiment.

Which illustrates nicely, I think, the ongoing silliness of the “liberal/conservative” dichotomy. The U.S. hasn’t had a genuinely conservative federal government in 20 years, at least. Canada is, like most democracies, very conservative in some ways and very liberal in others.

You also have to answer a skill-testing question 'round these parts. Mwaahahahahahah!!!

Not only that but with global warming Vancouver could be the new Los Angeles and NewFoundland the new Florida.

Maybe instead of shipping illegal immigrants back to their respective countries which should just launch them, Monty Python style, into Canada (assuming Canadians like British humor).

Well, let’s see if you’re smart enough to wait until after the Republican Party unfucks itself before voting for them again.

Can you unscramble an egg? Reassemble a spent firecracker?

But Sam, that can’t be right! You have both Socialized MediSIN & a Green Party that’s even acknowledged (grudgingly) by Maclean’s!

Surely you should be UNfree!