Do you see the irony in what you just posted?
Typical.
I’m not here claiming to debate people who blanketly defend the IDF’s actions in Gaza with “ignorance”, ignoring cites, and “BUT HAMAS”. I’m here to say those people are pieces of shit. You’re a piece of shit.
So…not a debate.
…Babale is claiming once again, without evidence, that what I said was a lie.
Lest they complain that it’s a link to aljazeera, here’s an American link from a month before:
It backs up what I said. That Hamas were willing to step down. They will release all of the hostages and cede control of the strip.
But that isn’t enough for Babale. Because it was never about the hostages. They don’t care about the hostages. They won’t stop until the “destruction of Hamas.”
But they aren’t even targeting Hamas. If they were they would be telling us exactly who they were killing every single day. Because these are supposed to be “targeted strikes”. The strike that nearly killed Bayan and killed 30 other people…who was the target? The strike that killed Dr Shehada Mahmoud Asqoul, was Hamas hiding under his tent?
Israel should accept the terms of the ceasefire, get the hostages back, let Hamas cede control to an independent Palestinian authority, and then if Israel wants to use their super-secret pager bombs to take out the last of the Hamas terrorists (and I mean actual terrorists, NOT a low-level government employees) I’m not going to object. If that’s what it takes to finally end this: then so be it.
Because we know Israel are perfectly capable of doing exactly that. They can end the suffering of the Palestinian people today.
But they won’t.
…do you condemn the IDF for the multiple atrocities they have committed in Gaza since October the 8th?
Do you think Israel has a right to defend itself knowing that will be by military action?
…I have said over and over again that yes, Israel had a right to defend themselves.
Do you condemn the IDF for the multiple atrocities they have committed in Gaza since October the 8th?
I am not agreeing with “atrocities.” It’s war…people get killed. It is terrible.
If you agree they can defend themselves then not seeing atrocities. Just war…which sucks and lots of innocents get caught up in. Nothing new there.
…do you not consider the murder of the 15 Palestinian Red Cross workers an atrocity?
You’ve obviously seen the video. Listened to the screams. If not an atrocity: what would you call it?
War.
And yeah…troops who went too far should absolutely be prosecuted. No question.
That doesn’t answer the bigger question of the conflict though.
…here’s your answer, folks.
Whack-a-Mole flies his flag. This was the straight-up execution of aid workers who were just trying to save lives. Then they tried to cover it up. There is no more obvious atrocity in a sea of atrocities.
Whack-a-Mole, like Babale, no longer deserves the benefit of the doubt. They support this genocide, unequivocally. They had every opportunity to condemn this.
What bigger question?
War crimes are war crimes. Yes: Israel had a right to defend themselves. But they crossed the line into war crimes in the very early days of the war, and they simply haven’t stopped.
Why are you simply unable to condemn this? I support the Palestinian people. But I condemn every terrorist act. I condemn the firing of the rockets, I condemn the atrocity of October 7th.
Why can’t you do the same for Israel?
I think you missed a part there. This can only be purposeful and disingenuous on your part.
…does being prosecuted somehow negate the actual atrocity?
Tell me how that works. Is it a magic spell?
Explain exactly what difference it makes.
And are the people that did it actually being prosecuted? And if they aren’t, does that negate the magic spell? Is it an atrocity now?
WTF?
When someone kills someone we prosecute them. It doesn’t make the dead person alive again. But we punish the wrongdoer(s).
Are you saying it is Israeli policy, orders EXPLICITLY given to their troops, to commit war crimes?
…are they being prosecuted? A yes or no will suffice.
Why do you keep asking me questions but refusing to answer mine?
It doesn’t have to be policy to be an atrocity. For all of your “look it up in the dictionary” you screamed about earlier in the thread, I think you need to look up the meaning of “atrocity” here.
So it doesn’t matter if it was “policy” or not. That isn’t relevant here at all.
I do not know (really…I don’t).
That’s the main thing though.
You have many thousands of people running around with guns. We can expect some few of them to be a bit murdery minded. It will happen in any group like this.
The important thing is the orders given to the troops. What is Israeli policy?
If you want to say the orders are all about murder anything that moves then say so. If the orders were, “Kill all aid workers you see…kids too,” then say so.
Otherwise, you’ve only got a solider who went nuts. Not a new thing at all and that soldier should be held to account fer sure.
From the Mississippi to the Pacific…
…it seems quite important to your refusal to call this an atrocity. Surely you would know. Or at least be bothered to take a few minutes to actually look it up.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-ousts-officer-responsible-for-incident-in-which-15-rescue-workers-were-killed-in-gaza/
A dismissal and a slap-on-the-wrist. No prosecutions. So an atrocity now?
And when those thousands of people running around with guns get a bit murdery minded and execute multiple civilians, it’s an atrocity.
It’s the important thing to you.
But what you think doesn’t count in international law. What you think doesn’t matter to the dictionary definition of “atrocity.”
Why would I say such nonsense?
That isn’t what happened here. Do some fucking research.
Here is the most detailed analysis of what happened on that day. Read it in its entirity.
Then come back to me and tell me that this wasn’t an atrocity that they tried to cover up.
Back atcha…how do you know it is an atrocity? If you have info that answers this why have you withheld it? Not that aid worker #1 was killed but that it is policy to kill aid workers.
It’s a fucking WAR ZONE!
Do you know the Allies bombed whole cities in WWII? Why? Because it was a fucking WAR ZONE! No one was wringing their hands about it. The fire bombing of Tokyo was arguably worse than the nukes we dropped later.
…because it clearly was an atrocious act.
Ah okay. You’ve conclusively lost the argument so now you are back to the default trolling mode.
Concession accepted.
If you had read the article you would have known they were operating in an area that the IDF hadn’t declared a combat zone. That meant coordination wasn’t required between the PRCS and the IDF.
Here’s the thing. You are just fucking pig-ignorant. You don’t know anything about what is actually happening on the ground. You are literally just making stuff up now.
And you aren’t going to wring your hands over the summary execution of 15 Palestinian aid workers.
Gotcha. Their lives mean nothing to you.