C’mon, anti-Zionist Jews aren’t real Jews, amIright Babale?
…I find this whole thing amusing, because I honestly don’t recall ever talking about “Zionism” or Jewish people at all on these boards. Not even in real life.
I keep saying you’ve got this fantasy version of me living in your head.
But since you bought up “anti-Zionist Jews”, do you have an opinion on them? Why would you bring them up?
Why would someone not be a “real” Jew just because I disagree with them?
Actually, I’m not convinced you have a real brain, does that count?
I’m a Jew and even a Zionist (at least by some definitions) and I don’t recall a single antisemitic post by @Banquet_Bear or @MrDibble.
For what it’s worth - a year ago or so, I was skeptical of the starvation claims… But a year ago, there weren’t hundreds or thousands of documented photo evidence of starving Gazans, and we didn’t have news orgs and medical orgs reporting that their own reporters and doctors were at risk of starvation, so I’m no longer skeptical - seems clearly true that there is widespread starvation in Gaza, and since they have pretty much all the power in Gaza right now, Israeli government policy and actions are responsible for it.
So?
I wasn’t aware that being Zionist was required of Jews. Or of even being a “good” or observant Jew. Please point to where, exactly, among the mitzvot this is required.
It is also entirely possible to be opposed to the actions of a government without being opposed to the population as a whole of that nation.
Again, being opposed to the Israeli government and/or the IDF actions does not make a person hateful of Jews, or antisemitic.
This might come as a shock but Israel is only half the world’s Jews and doesn’t speak for all of us. Not only Jews in Israel but Jews elsewhere in the world are shocked and appalled about what’s going on in Gaza. OUR safety is being threatened because of blowback from those events half a world away even when we are no way involved them.
So fuck Netanyahu, fuck the limp-dicked Knesset, fuck the IDF, and fuck anyone supporting them Fuck them hard, with a pineapple, then a cactus. But just so you don’t think I’m biased, fuck Hamas, too, with all of the above. Spit on the remains, bury them all, and subject them to damnatio memoriae
You won’t admit that the IDF ever makes a mistake, you have a myriad of excuses as to why Smotrich and ben Gvir aren’t important even though they’re in government, and you accuse people of drinking blood or hating all Jews if they have the least criticism of the above. You’ve demonstrated you’re running on emotion and bias and not facts.
They are also stateless people without passports which makes ANY sort of international travel exceedingly difficult. Yes, there is a sort of work-around for stateless people but even with that UN-issued document international travel is difficult. So they can’t even reach a foreign embassy to apply to leave, for a visa, or to ask for asylum. Yes, they are pawns, but Israel could help them out if there was the desire and will to do so. In other words, Israel is acting exactly like all those other governments who want the Palestinians to be someone else’s problem.
I’ll also note that you’re tarring everyone with the same brush. Jordan, for example, has taken in so many Palestinians that people of that ethnicity are now 50% or more of this population. So, in fact, you are wrong and there ARE Arab states willing to take them in. One of the is actually Israel’s neighbor, but as usual you ignore anything that doesn’t fit your narrative.
Hey, wake the fuck up - six million Palestinians have been taken in by Jordan. Half their current population is of Palestinians descent. But then, don’t let actual facts get in the way of your justification of apartheid.
I mean, fuck, even the US - past few decades anti-Muslim and pro-Israel, and also halfway around the world - has taken in about quarter million.
So no, there is NOT “literally no place for them to go”. Of course, them having actual, proper documentation would help but apparently the Israeli government giving something of that sort to the Palestinians living on territory controlled by them would be “supporting terrorism” or something. 
No, but they certainly would be capable of killing them all. Which is a solution of sorts, one might even say a final one…
Or, you know, the Israeli government could acknowledge that there were people living in the place now called Modern Israel before 1948. Maybe give citizenship to people living there for centuries before that time. Something of the sort.
^ This - even aside from who caused the problem in the first place, the Israeli government controls Gaza, therefore they are responsible for what goes on in Gaza. Mass starvation? That’s on Israel because they’re in control there. You’re supposed to take care of the civilians in territory your occupy, even if that’s enemy territory.
That’s why the US fed both Japan and Germany after WWII. We were in control of those territories, we were responsible for what went on there. Nevermind both of those governments had prompted a war that probably killed 50 million people world wide and left a lot of places in ruins - we were in control, it was on us to prevent starvation, epidemics, etc.
The government of Israel is doing a really suck job at that. Complete fucking incompetence.
What does that have to do with anything I said?
Being a Zionist isn’t required for Jews.
I’ve admitted that the IDF made tons of mistakes. Allowing Oct 7 to happen is the most obvious among those, but they’ve also made plenty of mistakes, which I’ve criticized, in the current conflict.
Yawn.
I didn’t say they aren’t important, I said they don’t have the power to impose whatever policy they want on the Israeli government.
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No, I don’t think they hate all Jews; they hate Jews who believe in self determination for the Jewish people.
So a one state solution where Israel is voted out of existence? No thanks, I saw what life was like for my family in Morocco.
@Banquet_Bear has been an incessant critic of Israel. But i don’t recall him ever saying anything antisemitic. Other than your unsupported belief that he supports Hamas (which i also haven’t seen) what evidence do you have?
When this was still remarkable, i heard a detailed discussion of this, probably on NPR. What the expert being interviewed said was that there are circumstances where hospitals are legitimate military targets, but international law requires that the attack be limited and proportionate to the military risk. Israel seems to have failed in this leg of the test.
If the house committee on armed services makes genocidal statements, i won’t be defending the US and claiming it can’t possibly be true. I have a bad feeling that I’ll have a bunch of examples about the US, too.
It is looking that way. 
Thanks, i feel the same.
Ditto. Although my Zionism has pretty much been killed by this war. But i was a Zionist, prior to the recent atrocities.
Here here.
That BB can’t post in. So that proves jackshit.
Meanwhile, where are your threads on Sudan and Myanmar etc.?
Because he couldn’t stop himself from vomiting more nonsense about Gaza all over that thread, too. It kinda proves everything, actually.
I’m not the one pretending to be a warrior for the downtrodden everywhere while mysteriously only ever choosing to criticize Israel and America, am I?
You were in on that action right alongside him.
It proves you’re either going senile or deliberately baiting him, inviting him into a thread you ought to know he can’t post in.
Boy, the Bear that lives in your head is quite the guy, isn’t he?
I’m probably going to regret asking this but what is the Syria thread you’re talking about?
The current level of violence against civilians in Syria and Yemen is much less than in Gaza, and those in Sudan and Ukraine are at worst comparable, certainly not “much larger scale”. But I assume he, and the board in general, doesn’t have much to say about those conflicts because nobody around here is trying to claim that one side of those conflicts has some sort of claim to moral superiority (except for Ukraine, and everyone agrees on which side that is).
The levels of starvation in Yemen are certainly much higher than in Gaza. Thanks to the Houthis.
Syria died down recently, though Al Jolani seems intent on bringing that back. No, I’m sorry, he’s “desperately trying” to stop his forces from massacring Druze, Alawites, and Christians.
Actual footage of Al Jolani issuing the order not to massacre Druze:
Yes, Babale seems to have just decided that everyone who disagrees with him has always been anti-semitic, delusional, self-hating or whatever. He doesn’t seem to have noticed that many of those of us who are now accusing Israel of gross human rights violations resisted that conclusion for many months, before the mountain of evidence simply became too large to ignore.
Sudan is pretty unambiguously worse than Gaza - I believe half a million have already died from malnutrition. And I’d say Ukraine is worse as well with Russia’s child kidnapping.
I don’t really think there’s any point in getting into human rights violation olympics but its hard to argue with rhe scale of both of those.
And I’d forgotten that BanquetBear was banned from that thread eight months ago; my bad. He shouldn’t post there then.
The famine was caused by Saudi Arabia bombing trucks with food, disabing key ports and other deliberate tactics to starve the population.
Saudi Arabia didn’t force the Houthis to detain so many UN employees that they suspended aid into Houthi controlled territories:
And that wasn’t the first the Houthis themselves took actions that interrupted aid delivery into their own controlled territories. The chief reason that it is dangerous to deliver aid to Houthi territories is the Houthis.
The houthis are also bad. Their attacks on aid workers and hoarding of aid is relevant to the famine because Saudi engineered a famine by large scale bombing of civilian infrastructure in the first place.