I’m not very into the long-winded strings of obscenities often seen in the pit, so I’ll go with a simple “can’t that doomsday asteroid hurry up already?”
(Feel free to hijack the thread with other instances of “cultural appropriation.”)
Yeah, wearing a Chinese-style dress, in what I’ll assume (without looking it up) is an appropriate setting, is not in-and-of-itself cultural appropriation. And those decrying it really need their SJW meters recalibrated. The young lady did absolutely nothing wrong…well, if she didn’t block the negative respondents as fast as they came in, then maybe she did something wrong. Because a young lady going to prom doesn’t need that kind of negativity in her life.
Apparently, her critics are not familiar with the age old adage, “Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.” Besides, show me how many Chinese American women never wear western clothes. You won’t find many. According to their definition, isn’t that appropriation as well?
Yep. BTW, this tweet of his has gained much more attention than his earlier tweet from 12 January 2018, where he speculated “How are niggers so damn loud?” (His twitter feed here.)
All this talk I hear of these days of “cultural appropriation” just seems like another form of racist oppression to me.
If people are supposed to be equal regardless of race, then “cultural appropriation” should not only be accepted, but encouraged.
How is “you can’t do that because you’re a <insert race here>,” any different than “you can’t do that because you’re ****not ****a <insert race here>”?
While I do agree there are lines to be drawn (no blackface, yellowface, Apu, etc.) I have always felt that fashion is generally fair game. I mean, one point of fashion, or other creative endeavors, is to see it propagated and adopted by others.
{warning! warning! possible unpopular opinion ahead} When much of this cultural appropriation outrage appears I want to respond to the shouters, “So, you seem to like wearing pants. Do you think your culture invented pants? No? How about hamburgers? Had one lately? Is that something your culture contributed?”
Yeah, they aren’t like that guy who, get this, flipped out because someone said that a kid creeped them out in commercial. The kid has some sort of disorder, so he had to defend them from these vile posters. Nevermind that the only thing that bothered them was that he was being smarmy to some adults.
Why is it so fucking hard to listen to these people who are upset about a legitimate topic? Why is it that we think making fun of them will fix the issue? Did making fun of that guy I describe help him figure it out? Nah. I even praised him for having his heart in the right place, because it was.
These are actual Asian people who feel their culture is being appropriated and sold by Americans. This problem isn’t going to go away. There will be no line fixed as long as mocking is the only thing they ever receive. Mockery means you are the enemy, and thus you are the person they need to stop.
And, yes, you can call me an SJW if you like. I don’t really care. I am in fact standing up for these people, because I think it’s ridiculous to ignore them, even if I think that the likely dress isn’t actually cultural appropriation.
This isn’t some big contentious issue. We could actually come together and work this out, but we won’t. Most people in this country don’t give a shit about other people anymore.
I don’t call you an SJW–I call you a self-righteous sanctimonious asshole who never finds any point too minor that you can’t serve up a sermon about your moral superiority over.
Cultural appropriation is when someone profits by waltzing in and grabbing up something created by another community–by selling it, (without really understanding it or appreciating it)–while the original creators get nothing.
The situation in the OP doesn’t apply. They are misusing the term, and that just causes general knee-jerk backlash to the term itself.
I can listen to Mr. Lam without mocking him, then say I think his opinion/position is wrong without mocking him. I can also say he’s full of shit without mocking him, but admittedly that is insulting him.
I find it mildly stupid that a man is bitching about a dress (I’m assuming Mr. Lam is not a transvestite, in which case dresses are arguably a part of his personal culture, but if he’s not cross-dressing I’d be much more interested in what Asian women have to say about this).
What next? Only Asian people can use chopsticks and only Europeans can use forks?
Also, there have been quite a few Chinese people (both via descent and actually living in/citizens of China) who seem very happy about Ms. Daum wearing the dress. Seriously, China has been exporting all sorts of Chinese goods all over the world for thousands of years which is why examples of Chinese goods have been found in places like Pompeii. If the Chinese didn’t and don’t want other people to use Chinese objects they sure have a bizarre way of showing it!
So… is the term “Americans” code for “white people”? Or is it inappropriate for Americans of Asian descent to sell items of Asian origin or influenced by one or another Asian culture? What about African-Americans - are they allowed Chinese things or not? Please be more specific.
Is there a reason these people can’t stand up for themselves?
This is a discussion we should have in this world, but I think getting upset about a dress someone wore to a prom is bullshit.
Buddy, most people ANYWHERE don’t give a shit about other people - and never have. If you thought otherwise you’re mistaken. If anything people give more of a shit than in the past, but that’s a pretty low bar to get over.
Wow, this is not something I had considered would upset people.
Several years ago some co-workers and I went to India for a week of team meetings, and one evening the women from the India office took one of my female co-workers out shopping to get her dressed in style.
She showed up to work on the last day of our visit dressed in an attractive sari, with all of the women pleased with their work. And she really did look good in the outfit.
She probably never wore it again after coming home, but I can’t imagine it being considered scandalous. It’s all about intent.
Because maybe some people don’t think it is a legitimate topic? I don’t listen to flat-earthers or anti-vaxers either, want to wag your fingers at me over that one too?
I have never in my life heard anyone say that making fun of something will fix the issue. That’s you assuming that the majority actually want to fix the issue, and assuming poorly at that. I have neither the ability or desire to fix the issue. Comparatively, making fun of stupid people saying stupid things is actually fun.
You don’t even reach that high in my books, you’re more like a self-righteous retard.
