Not here.
Umm, if you couldn’t vote for Harris because you’re not a fucking citizen then you didn’t didn’t vote for Harris.
But sure, enjoy the game playing, that’s for all intents and purposes trolling.
It looks like they don’t live in the U.S. at all, and is just trying to be cute.
I mean, you would’ve had a point if this thread was a hijack of … cricket or something. However, you volunteerly jumped into an American politics pit thread. People will (of course) be US centric; as they should be.
I was in a gas station convenience store a day after the election, bunch of FED-EX drivers there since a big distribution warehouse is nearby.
They were all loud in general, but one of them screams out “Today is a great day, you know why? Because trump won!”
His buddy said “Yes and he’s going to end all the corruption in government”. I Didn’t say anything, but this is what we are dealing with here. Less than 5 miles from the capitol of blue state New York. To be fair most of the other patrons were looking at them like they were nuts and didn’t say anything.
Those FED-EX guys are basically in the same job as me as a railroad employee, but they are going to be some of the first fucked by trump’s policies and cheer him having no clue. trump is with Musk that is saying he wants to replace their jobs with AI self-driving. It’s not about the economy with maga.
Fuck Trump and his followers.
I frequent a bar & grill located about six miles from me. It’s very blue collar. Many work on the assembly lines at the Honda Assembly Plant in Marysville.
The mood after the election was ecstatic.
Not sure how the Dems are going dig themselves out of this one.
I have a bit of hope after seeing some actual numbers. Yes, Trump won all of the swing states, but the margins were fairly close from what I saw on Friday. Less than 100k except in PA. I do think the bomb threats in some of these areas, as well as Russian backed propaganda targeted to young black men, suppressed turnout but I don’t think there was fraud.
NC voted for the Democrats down ballot and Gallego beat Lake in AZ. Several left leaning ballot initiatives passed in red states.
The Democrats have a messaging problem and maybe one more chance in '26.
I thought it may be too late but from the numbers I’m seeing there is a chance.
One reason that demagogues like Trump need to point the blame at basically every single category of minority in the country:
Trump and his ilk did 99% of the damage to ‘non-college white men’ that they suffer from, now.
But as they wade in legitimate economic misery, they still write him checks on the regular.
And @Lumpy insists that demagogues and propaganda don’t really influence people’s thoughts, opinions, and votes? It is to laugh.
I’ve said before that American elections are so important to the rest of the world that we should be allowed to vote. As of this month I’m no longer sure that Americans should have the same right.
They don’t change people’s thoughts, opinions and votes. They don’t program people like tabula rasa robots. They tell people what they want to hear, that they are not alone in holding the opinions they do, and they encourage, reassure and embolden those people. IMHO that’s the huge difference between propaganda on the Right and the Left: the Right is tapping into a huge reservoir of reactionary sentiment that’s already out there. The Left is trying to mold people, to make them into what they think the people ought to be.
So – really, really – despite the fact that you decried this very sentiment that you ascribed to the left, the only thing you’re really saying is that the right does do propaganda better than the left.
I totally agree.
ETA: and/or that the RW audience is far more susceptible to the propaganda and demagoguery – just as I contend.
I said that the two use utterly and completely different approaches. You’re still presuming that what the Right does is the same as the Left, only more successfully, which just isn’t the case.
Propaganda and demagoguery are not the same as propaganda and demagoguery?
Marketing and advertising are not the same as marketing and advertising?
You’re trying to split a ridiculously fine hair, here. Seems a long way to go in order to try to appear to be correct, no?
ETA: I’ll concede the point, though, that there’s probably more power in the right-wing lies than there is in the left-wing truths.
Which – again – reinforces my basic premise.
They both do it. But I also think the right lied a lot more than the left for this election.
Yes the public just needed a reminder how much they hated tan suits and mustard on hamburgers and folks saying Happy Holidays.
No, propaganda and demagoguery are not the same as marketing and advertising.
In a free-market system, marketing and advertising have to work; if they don’t both the advertiser and the marketing agency they worked with go out of business. So by sheer Darwinian selection they’ve converged on what works. Propaganda is a top-down goal oriented attempt to make people think a certain way. As I remarked in another thread, the Left is bitterly envious of the hucksters’ success, and wonder why they can’t seem to make people do “what they ought to”. It’s the difference between a con artist and a reeducation camp indoctrination officer.
The former two are political, the latter two commercial. The difference is of purpose, not nature.
I disagree, I think they truly are fundamentally different in nature; and I think it says something that the respondents don’t see the difference.
You wanna expound on what the difference is so perhaps we respondents can see what you’re seeing?
Disagree with this analysis. I’d argue that there are probably more ways that the left is catering to real-world concerns and the right is trying to mold them. Yes white supremacy is a big part of American culture and always has been, but showing graphic images of black-on-white crime, spreading myths about eating dogs and illegals voting, all this is to stoke fear and prejudice.