I'll keep my Trump-voting cousin, if you don't mind

Background: I’m adopted, and because both my birth mother and birth father had tons of offspring, I have about a zillion bio-relatives. Loooooonnnnggg story short, I am slightly in touch with a few of them, and it’s fine. But except for one half-sister, they are not a significant part of my life: I did not grow up with them, I have never met most of them, and at best have exchanged an email or two or a couple of phone calls with some of them. The one bio half-sister I do know well is great and I am thankful for her, but she lives thousands of miles away so we very rarely see each other.

Moving on to my adoptive family: I consider them to be my “real” family, for both historical and legal reasons. I was an only child and both my parents were not close to their families. My father was an only child estranged from his father, mother, and stepmother; for him, there were no other relatives to speak of. So, zero family there.

My mother was the youngest of five kids, but her family wasn’t close at all and I virtually never saw my aunts and uncles. I have a ton of cousins, not sure exactly how many, but thanks to the fact I never had much contact with most of them while growing up, I am only in touch with two of them.

One of these two cousins is a sweetie. She lives thousands of miles away so I never see her; we just exchange emails. She’s a staunch Democrat, horrified at what is happening.

That brings us to The Other Cousin. He’s not super Trumpy, but yes - I think it is safe to assume he voted for Trump.

About this cousin: like me, it is pretty clear he feels at least a little wistful about not having much of an extended family. (I asked him once, “it is embarrassing that I have to ask, but how many cousins do we have?” He did not know either.) His parents and his older brother were highly accomplished intellectuals. He was treated as the dumb kid in the family. My mother reported that his father (her brother-in-law, married to her sister) once said to her, “Why did I have to have a stupid kid?”

This “stupid kid” used to go visit my mother from time to time, even though they had little in common (political rifts were clear decades ago), because he knew it meant a lot to her and he appreciated the fact she was eternally pissed at his parents for looking down on him.

This “stupid kid” visited my mother while my father was dying and she was totally fucking insane (a combination of her generally negative attitude toward the world, stress of my father’s condition, plus she was taking steroids for pneumonia which turned totally fucking insane into TOTALLY FUCKING INSANE!!!). He listened patiently while she told him that he was a shitty person, his father was shitty person, I was a shitty person, etc. etc.

This “stupid” cousin was on a cross-country road trip, en route to Canada I think, in upstate New York or some such place, with his wife when my mother died in Iowa. He turned around and drove back to see me.

When I held a “celebration of life” for my mother a few months later, in the middle of winter, he and his wife came. We had dinner and lots of wine afterward, sharing hithero untold tales of how difficult it was to maintain a relationship with my mother.

By random chance, he now also lives part time on Hawai’i Island, on opposite sides of the island. We see each other from time to time, staying overnight at each other’s homes.

When I was driving us home from lava-watching late at night in the rain, a cat jumped out into the road and I struck it, the first words out of his mouth were, within seconds, “It wasn’t your fault.”

Did I mention cats? He and his wife are incredible cat-lovers.

Did I mention differing political views? Yes - we try to laugh about how amazing it is that in this divided world, we can still be connected. We commiserate with the weaknesses/mistakes that “the other side” makes; he tells me where he disagrees with Trump and I tell him where I disagree with the Dems.

I have so little family in this world. He’s my cousin, he’s been so loyal to me whenever I (or my mother) needed him, and I’m thrilled that we both live on Hawai’i Island.

Fuck you if you think I’m morally wrong for having him and his wife over for Thanksgiving. I’m looking forward to seeing him again.

I’m not going to hold that against them! :wink: :dog:

I get it, and in all seriousness, I’m with you here. My best friend was an extreme die-hard right-winger, and I’m pretty much the exact opposite. Yet he was indeed my best friend, the best man at my wedding, just as I was at his. I say “was” my best friend because tragically he died of a rare brain tumor a few years ago. But he was the kind of friend that, even if we hadn’t seen each other in a few years (eventually we lived quite far away from each other), when we did get together it would be like we had just seen each other yesterday – the instant bonding of best friends.

The only way I can explain how we managed our extreme political differences is that we joked about it. The last time he visited here, we briefly discussed politics, wherein over a few drinks I told him he was an asshole and he told me I was an idiot, and then we discussed where to go out for dinner, and had a delightful night out. I’m not sure exactly what the moral of the story is, except I guess that a strong enough friendship overcomes lesser differences, and maybe that people holding “wrong” political views are often more likely misinformed rather than evil.
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My wife voted for Trump. I didn’t. No issues. Everything is temporary, and life goes on.

It’s perfectly ok to love your cousin. Don’t have to worry about it.

I doubt he’d want you to be concerned about it.

Plus, he gets brownie points for being a cat person. IMO

And that more than makes up for supporting a habitually lying rapist, right?

I have a lot of cousins, but R is probably the one with whom I’ve been closest. We were born three months apart, and our mothers are sisters, and they are lifelong best friends. From the time we were 10, until we were 18, our two families were co-owners of a hardware store, and R and I spent a great deal of time together, working at the store.

He’s who I went to see Star Wars with, the very first time we saw it, in 1977, when we were 12. While he and I didn’t see each other as much after we got out of high school, as both of us moved away from Green Bay, we still remained close, and always enjoyed hanging out together, when we could.

He’s been living in a small town in the upper peninsula of Michigan for the last 30 years, and kind of went all-in on being a redneck, but that’s fine. I haven’t seen him face-to-face since around 2018, but even though he and I grew in very different directions, we still got along.

And, then, sometime around 2019 or 2020, his Facebook posts went seriously MAGA and Trumpy, to the point that he actually managed to get himself banned by Facebook due to some of the stuff he was posting. I haven’t had direct contact with him since then. (FWIW, he fully knows that I’m a bleeding-heart liberal.)

He doesn’t come down from the UP for family gatherings anymore, and while I know he’s on Facebook again (under a different screen name), he hasn’t reached out to me, either on that platform, or in any other venue (he has my email address, he has my phone number). My sister and his sister still talk with each other regularly (despite political differences), and I do get the occasional update on what is happening with him through that, as well as through what my uncle (R’s dad) tells my dad.

I still love him, and that won’t ever change. I didn’t cut him out of my life, but I do feel like he’s actively chosen to cut me out of his, and that makes me sad.

If I thought for a moment that my cousin was so well informed that he viscerally understood that, and said, “hell yeah, I wanna vote for a habitually lying racist!” than no - I could not maintain a connection with him.

But he reads different news sources than I do. He’s not particularly connected to the US, other than being a citizen (I’ve skipped much about his life, because my OP was already TLDR - suffice it to say he has not lived in the US for most of his life, returning only as a retiree).

This is the Pit, where I happily post (I appreciate the lack of prudish guardrails) but rarely post in a truly Pit-like manner. So let me be a bit more of a Pit-person than I usually am: fuck you if you can’t accept that other people don’t share your world view.

Think about this: imagine a hyper-religious, conservative family with an LGBTQ+ child. They don’t change their horrid views, but they somehow manage to understand that connections/love/understanding/whatever-you-want-to-call-it matter more. So they don’t disown their child. Instead, they show that child love.

Maybe they secretly hope that child will see their kindness and change their ways. Probably not, but … why can’t I be the same?

I would like to show that Democrats do love others.

This is the Pit, right? So … if you want to condemn me for not hating my cousin, you can. And I’ll say, not really meaning it in a forceful way: fuck you.

My real, not-exactly-Pit-material: we need to love and understand each other. Only some of those Trump voters were actually evil - as in, they don’t actually give a shit if families are separated, immigrants/LGBTQ+ people are are tortured (insert other examples here; there are many.)

The rest of them? Well, maybe they are lost to us. But I believe they are misinformed, not inherently evil. if we hate them, they are definitely lost to us. If we show them that we are kind and understanding, maybe we can find common ground.

And fuck you for trying to pass off hatred as just another “world view”. People I know and love face real danger from that supposed “world view”.

Right. Me too. (I live in Hawai’i, where LGBTQ+ folks are a huge portion of the population, and my friends.)

So, we make the world better by hating the haters? Or by showing them that there is a kinder, better way?

Ever hear of the paradox of the tolerance of intolerance? According to several sources (including Wiki) the paradox of tolerance is a philosophical concept suggesting that if a society extends tolerance to those who are intolerant, it risks enabling the eventual dominance of intolerance, thereby undermining the very principle of tolerance. Once the kinder and gentler way has been shown (and it most certainly has, I think) then the open rejection of that kinder and gentler way pretty much tells you that that path probably leads nowhere.

Ever hear of Hannah Arendt?

People i know and love are in danger, too. I’m a Jew, and i worry that I’m in danger. But I’d keep that cousin, too. And because Hawaii wasn’t going to be a swing state, i wouldn’t even have tried hard to convince him to vote differently.

Yep. She wrote on the evil of Totalitarianism.

This is the Pit so there is no need for you to expound on your views of what she wrote. However, if you should ever choose to do so, I’d be interested.

Ditto, since you are the one that brought her up in the first place.

In response to YOUR “paradox of intolerance” comment.

Look, you wanna discuss philosophy? GD is somewhere above the Pit, both literally and no doubt figuratively. Go for it, it’s all good. (Hint: “banality of evil” should probably be a concept you counter.)

My point is more visceral and Pit-appropriate: I don’t have a lot of relatives, I recognize kindness and love in those few relatives I do have, and I am willing to be a loving friend/relative to them if they feel the same to me.

If I tell my cousin, “you voted for Trump, I won’t have you as my guest for Thanksgiving” do you really think I’m going to make him say, “oh, my cuz is antagonistic about my voting record, hell yeah, now I see the light and will be a Democrat”?

I honestly believe I have a great chance of swaying him to my viewpoint if I am understanding and accepting. YMMV and obviously does. Good luck with your efforts to sway Trump voters by treating them like shit.

Ever hear, you can’t divorce your blood relatives? You can chose to associate or not.

@CairoCarol you have to decide what you can live with, in regards to your relatives.

I feel ok, knowing you to be full of good sense on these boards, believe you’ll decide your path in this, in good faith.

I suggest, you are one of millions going through this very thought process.

I also wanna say @Czarcasm can really get some clarity, this is real life.
This ain’t some scenario in your head that you wish were true.

There’s many people that have choices to make and it’s hard.
And yes, I say if you love animals have a great cousin like Carol, how bad can they be?

Just gonna take this chance to thank @Beckdawrek, @wolfpup, and @Crafter_Man for your comments.

Hell no, it’s not morally wrong. I despise our President Elect, but a person’s political leanings are a thing apart from family. It’s the same with religion or gender identity or ethnicity. Affection is blind to things like that.

I would only find a relative objectionable if that person was loudly beating on family because of their beliefs. I have mentioned elsewhere I have an aunt who was a political aide to Mike Huckabee, another person who gives me the creeps. But since she has retired she has not spoken about politics at family gatherings and I have done the same.

Exactly. My cousin has known for decades that the CairoCarol nuclear family is ferociously Democrat.* But he didn’t berate or write us off for that reason, though he surely thought we were misguided. Nor did we write him off - we looked at his background and circumstances, and figured, “well, he’s wrong, but we can try to understand why he feels that way.”

*Starting with me, actually - I am proud to say that before the 1972 election, my parents supported Republican Paul McCloskey until I (a teen not old enough to vote, but old enough to read and digest political stuff) convinced them to support George McGovern. Interestingly, my parents later became more extremely liberal Democratic than me. I blame myself.