I’d intended to do a GD story based on the fact that the Diocese of New Hampshire of my church, the Episcopal Church, has just elected a gay man as their Bishop. And I went looking for a news story to hang the OP on.
The Lambeth Conference of 1998, whose decisions are not binding on our church, but which is listened to with respect, did not adopt such a resolution. Details are in John Shelby Spong’s autobiography, Here I Stand – and I’m too irritated to get the exact story and quote it.
David Moyer is also a deposed priest who was in open rebellion against his bishop and was thrown out of the church he was rector of. What he is, is a self-promoting rabble-rouser.
I have to give them credit – in a nine paragraph article, they managed to do objective reporting in one paragraph. And note that there is not a single word that might suggest that the man is any good at what he does, nor that there are strong supporters of him and of the ministry of gay men and women in our church.
I became a member of the Episcopal Church because of their liberal views on homosexuality and women in the church. This stupid article is doing a huge disservice as I hope this man does NOT speak for the majority of Episcopalians. He certainly does NOT speak for me and never will.
I’m still in shock over that thread title. Poly, don’tcha think you’ve been hanging around with the rest of us a little too long? :eek:
I’ll third the “Whad’ya expect from Agape Press?” responses. I’m real interested that your diocese elected Robinson. I’d’ve put money on it not happening.
Ugh. It’s no secret that I have no horse in the religion race, but I feel for you, Poly, and for the battles you wage every day (as an atheist, pro-gay Republican, I think I might have a small sense of your task. ).
And yeah, what kung fu lola said. What a waste of a great name for a press outlet. Can someone who actually understands agape sue them to get it back or something?
It wasn’t my diocese – mine’s North Carolina (which covers the central part of the state). However, he’s a bishop of my church; my diocese’s Standing Committee will have to approve or reject his election (along with 80 or so others; he needs confirmation of his election by a majority of dioceses to take office).
And yeah, realizing now that it’s Wildmon’s house organ, I could expect nothing but. However, it is so #%#% annoying that they misrepresent everything, always pick up on the same few naysayers…
Manny, you’re a NYC Republican; that absolves you from the national Grumpy Old Party’s bizarreries. I’d probably shock the Jefferson County NY Republican Party by letting them know I’m a registered Democrat down here – but it would be an insult to a progressive group of Ice Age hominids to refer to the N.C. Republicans as Neanderthals – they’re stuck somewhere around Kenyapithecus IMHO!
Dropzone, I use profanity sparingly, and only when it’s the sole method of adequately expressing my emotions.
I second the motion, Ppolycarp. Agape Press, you might want to rename your enterprise to something more in keeping with your views. . . Phobia Press, perhaps?
Looks like a perfectly reasonable and balanced article to me. If this is indeed published by an organization that opposes this type of thing, you have to give them a lot of credit.
It seems like you are looking for any article about an issue that you feel strongly about to also include special praise for your chosen Good Guy and condemnation for your chosen Bogeyman. I think you may have to start your own press for that.
Wow, Izzy. Respect for human dignity is now a “chosen Good Guy”? Antigay hatred is merely a Bogeyman?
Go intercourse yourself, buster. Putting quotation marks around partner is insulting. The article was leaking at the seams with bigotry aimed squarely at people just like me, and I’m here to tell you that I don’t like bigots or their sympathizers.
Say hi to your “wife”.
Fr. Moyer was/is pretty outspokenly opposed to the ordination of gay and female priests, and was openly critical of his bishop, Bishop Bennison, and then finally said he wouldn’t allow Bishop Bennison to preach at his church, because Bennison had ordained gay and female priests, and also because Bennison has some kind of unorthodox beliefs about the incarnation and the bible. So, Bennison banned Moyer from serving in Bennison’s diocese. This actually got worldwide attention, with the Archbishop of Canterbury stepping in. I think Moyer then went on to take his followers into this traditionalist Episcopalian splinter church.
The problem with you, and people like you, is that in your narrow-minded intolerance, you are simply incapable of recognizing another viewpoint. I did not see anything in this article about “Antigay hatred” or “Respect for human dignity”. The article brought up matters like “incompatible with scripture” and “Open rebellion against God.” It is your position - adopted in the interest of making your enemies look bad - that such positions directly equate to anti-gay hatred and lack of respect for human dignity. But you lightly pass over the intervening steps as if they amount to the same thing. They don’t.
Silly silly. The article was full of quotes around all sorts of terms, like “good”, “gay” and “commitment ceremonies”. Presumably, these are how others used the terms. I’m surprised that an editor like yourself is unfamiliar with what is a widespread practice. (Out of curiosity, just what nature of insult do you think they were trying to convey with the quotes?)
Well now that you came, I’ll inform you that I am not in the least concerned with who you like or don’t like. So I guess you can go back to wherever it is you came from.
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