Fuck you, Joe Manchin!

Joe Manchin will not switch parties because he loses all his influence and media spotlight if he becomes the 51st Republican No as opposed to the one Democratic No on legislation. This man loves the media spotlight. He loves going on TV and having a huddle of reporters seeking his position on legislation knowing anything that is put forward has to get past him.

I don’t know what his motivation is because in the past he would toe the party line whenever his vote mattered in terms of the math. The optimist in me wanted to believe if Schumer put the bill to the floor Manchin wouldn’t dare be the one guy to tank it. Evidently I’m wrong given his comments today.

And neither are the Brits, Aussies, Kiwis, South Africans, other Europeans, and Central/South Americans that routinely post about, and usually criticize, American politics on this message board. According to you, should they also fuck off?

U mad bro?

It’s an existential moment for the Dems IMHO. Pushing something this big through and showing they could actually do something for the lower socio economic parts of the US was probably the only way they could turn around their current reputation. The broad R strategy of preventing Dems from doing anything at all then letting the Dems take the heat for not doing anything has worked once again.

You misspelled “I vote for the WRONG.”

You forget that it’s not nationality that bothers the hive it’s nonconformity.

Yeah, there are a lot of non-Americans who post on American politics. It’s apparently only a problem when you disagree with the left.

It’s telling that you single out @Sam_Stone for posting about American politics when he posts more intelligently about our Politics and our Constitution than you ever could.

IOW, he disagrees with your, and the board’s, narrow political views, so he’s wrong. :roll_eyes:

Spoken like TFG’s administration…

Any “observation” you make is pretty much just a dumbass saying dumbass stuff. Fuck off.

Says the dumbest, least original, funny, or clever poster on the board, if not the internet.

U mad bro?

You’re not any good at trolling.

Fuck off.

How original! You already said that, just a few posts ago. Do you have anything else, or is it simply past your (limited) abilities to come up with something new?

Joe Manchin is an elitist piece of shit, as if we didn’t know this already:

Whatever lies he has to tell himself to justify bending over and spreading it for his corporate donors, I guess…

If Manchin hates the poor so much, why isn’t he Republican?

He walks like one and quacks like one, but he has a D next to his name.

From a semantic standpoint, there is no way to be NOT in a bad position and still need help. There’s no way to patch over that with the word “coming” that somehow makes sense. Once you’re at all healthy signs, you don’t need help.

Let’s be charitable, for example, and assume that you mean that some states have recovered and some have not - or something to that effect. If that’s true but the numbers are saying that we’re at or better than average healthy times then that’s saying that some states are well beyond average and plain off doing exceptional and, obviously, that would mean that some others are doing worse than average and need help.

Well what do you think, in previous times that the national average was at an average of a healthy economy? Do you think that it was all 50 states sitting there perfectly at an average - none higher and none lower? Or do you think some were performing above average and some below? I’d probably expect the latter because I live in the real world.

Sure, today, some states are performing before average. That’s the same as every year of your human existence.

Minus all other considerations, sure. But if we consider things like:

  1. Does the full nation need help? If, for example, 35 of the states are out of the hole and 15 are not, it might make more sense to let those 15 states handle further recovery matters because it’s no longer a national issue. That seems like a better way to do things.
  2. Maybe there are more important things to work on at the national level. If you’ve only got enough time in the day to work on one mega-issue, maybe you should work on the most important mega-issue and let the secondary ones sit back in the queue. So let’s say that the biggest issues are that we need to keep strong on clean energy, need to give women time off from work during a pregnancy, and need to ensure that everyone has medical care but we can’t have any of those in any lasting form unless we clean out partisan gamesmanship from governance. Well then, what’s the biggest issue that needs to be worked on? If there’s one issue that you need to solve before you can solve any other issue, then that’s the one most important issue.

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Holy shit! You’re right, it’s only now that I’m coming out of a pandemic and my stocks are at an all-time high and I’ve bought a new house that I’ve realized that my child care options aren’t everything that I ever dreamed of! I didn’t realize that before 2019! If you asked me back then, I woulda been all, “Nah, I got all the options for my tots. No worries, y’all.” I certainly didn’t realize it when my children were born. No it was definitely when the common cold became more common.

That is to say, I’m pretty damn sure that you could poll people in any year and they’d be all in for better child care. And, more importantly, that has dick to do with coming out of a pandemic. Economic stimulus for underperforming states and regions doesn’t look like government funding for nannies. You’re just taking something that you want and have always wanted and you’re trying to use the pandemic as an excuse to say that it’s the right moment to do it.

But hey, if you do want it and you think that any rational person would would agree that the central government should be the force to work on that issue, then focus on the one most important thing: Being able to pass and keep legislation that is rational. If that’s not something that we can do then, you’re not going to get your dream.

Ya know, nobody was keeping Manchin from just saying “this is a no” at any point befpre now.

He and Sinema just played the leadership, making them have to publicly prove they’d jettison all the things their other members had wanted for the sake of “a win, any win”. And now he just says y’know what you don’t deserve “any win”.

Thing is: the 1.2T$ hard-infrastructure bill, as is, by itself, would have been a “YOOOGE” win for any administration, any time. But it was stupefyingly allowed to be cast as “settling for less” than was wanted and as being worth it only if it also brought about an even bigger climate/social bill. Overpromising and underdelivering.

That Manchin was able to so blatantly wedgie the entire leadership on this issue is on them as much as on him.

Here’s a different take: Nobody Should Be Surprised Joe Manchin Killed Biden’s Agenda | Time

But here’s the thing: Manchin has been saying was going to be the outcome for months. Washington—especially Democrats—just didn’t want to hear it. Manchin ended his Fox News appearance at roughly the same spot he sketched out IN JULY . That’s right; Manchin in a July 28 memo to Schumer said exactly what his red lines were, including “no additional handouts or transfer payments.”

Democrats have known about all of Manchin’s long-standing demands. Schumer even signed Manchin’s July 28 memo, with the caveat that he planned to try and dissuade his colleague on many of its points. The following day, Manchin released a statement based on the outline and had a long conversation with reporters on the Hill. And on July 30, Manchin had a formal press conference outlining his demands. “I’ve never been a liberal in any way, shape or form,” Manchin said back in the summer, adding that in order to pass a more liberal agenda, Democrats “have to elect more liberals.”

Most Democrats thought they could outplay Manchin, an affable guy who is popular on both sides of the aisle for his willingness to make small talk and tell a good story like none other. Lawmakers—even those who don’t trust him—find him fun to be around, a trait that is rare in the sometimes stuffy Senate.

The smart Democrats, however, predicted this would be the result.

u mad bro?