Oh, yeah, forgot to address these lies. I never said I was gonna “prove” anything with regard to that conversation. I gave my view, and upon being asked told Heffalump & Roo that I’d provide a more detailed chronology of events as I (obviously) saw them. “Proof” is not available since issues of this kind are subjective. I know that and therefore know better than to state my comments in those kinds of terms.
Cite!
I never use terminology like that. Prove it or retract and apologize. (Oh, yeah…you’re mad because I insulted your sacred cow of liberalism so rules of board conduct don’t apply. So, uh, nevermind I guess. :rolleyes:)
OK. (Oooh! You didn’t use the word “proof.” I would still say that my characterization of your expression is accurate–particularly since you did call my posts lies.)
You have also posted this little swipe as a follow-up.
I would also note that I have never called you a “schmuck” while you were posting revisionist history and failing to support it with anything resembling actual events. (You can go find that one on your own.)
Actually, liberalism and conservatism are much more your sacred cows than mine. I do not put serious faith in either and I do not join you in worshipping or demonizing either one. If I had such problems, I would expect to be able to find far more rancorous exchanges between myself and Sam Stone, xtisme, Mr. Moto, John Mace, and others who definitely bring a conservative view to the boards on many, if not most, issues. Instead, I seem to find my only rancorous exchanges are between uncivil zealots and partisans on both ends of the political spectrum. ::: shrug :::
All of which has nothing absolutely nothing to do with the issue at hand here, and I’m not going to play your game. You’ve shown your ass and that’s all there is to it. It is incumbent on you to demonstrate credibility and character in order to fulfill your function as a mod, and you’ve shown in this thread that you have neither. I’m perfectly happy to let your behavior here serve as your own condemnation.
Hey! Did you guys hear that Obama’s Commerce nominee withdrew? Says he just came to the conclusion he wasn’t going to fit in because, well, he never was all that much into D&D.
The behavior I engage in which you don’t like is rarely unprovoked or ill-considered. It is amusing however to see however that so many of those around here who so eagerly dish it out are so ill equipped to take it. Still, I’ve told you in this very thread that if you can provide an instance where I’ve been insulting to you unprovoked, I would apologize. I note you haven’t taken me up on it.
Funny, I don’t see any balls.
I didn’t say you should step down, I said you’re not fit for the job.
If TPTB decide that your practice of lying or making erroneous claims about what other posters have said simply because you have taken a personal dislike to them is hunky dory and just fine for their mods to be engaging in, then that’s just the way it is. But you’ve shown your ass here bigtime and plently of people have seen you for petulant, childish, unscroupulous liar that you are, and I for one will be plenty happy to point to your behavior in this thread anytime you have the gall to call someone else a liar or suggest that they owe you an apology. You have shown by your own behavior in this thread that posters are free to lie at will about other posters, to refuse to acknowledge that what they’ve said is wrong, and to refuse to recant and apologize simply because they don’t like the person they’ve lied about. Given that you are a mod here, your actions have lowered the bar of acceptable behavior for the entire board, and henceforth a great many posters may feel perfectly free to just lie up a storm about what other posters have said; to say just any old bullshit they think will support their position; tell their opponents to stuff it when they’re shown to be wrong; and refuse to recant and apologize when they’re shown to be in error. I knew there were changes in the offing around here, but I didn’t expect that this lowering of the board’s standards was going to be one of them.
I know that if were I the type to take advantage of the example you’re setting, I would find myself almost giddy with the newfound freedom to act as dishonestly and reprehensibly as I wanted with no need ever to fess up or take responsibility for my actions, and safe in the knowledge that I would never have to admit I was wrong or apologize for my actions. Wow, just think of the possibilities!
I provided two separate links and a third separate instance that I noted you could look up, yourself, and you now post the lie that I have not provided any such instances?
You really should stop digging that hole.
(And you can keep the apology–I suspect that it would be as valuable as your odd and unsupportable revisions of history.)
Okay, you’re right. I missed them (or the first one anyway) and meant to get back to the second link but forgot in the heat of battle. My bad, both for not addressing them and for claiming you didn’t post them. Now, let’s take a look at them:
In your second link – the little swipe you mentioned – I said: “Here’s hoping tomorrow won’t be like today and that there won’t be fresh tomndebb epic bullshit that will supercede it.”
Okay, that was indeed a little swipe. But unprovoked? Hot nardly! Allow me to quote you from further up in that very thread: “I do not think you treated me badly, either, (this, btw, in response to my comment that I didn’t think I had treated you badly) but the rest of this statement is horseshit.”
So, it’s clear that at the time I made my little swipe, you had not only admitted I was not treating you badly but followed that statement by calling my posts “horseshit”. Looks to me like you’re the baddie here.
Now, let’s look at the next one you linked to. In that one I said: “I just spent two and a half hours composing a point by point reply to tomndebb’s not so clever misrepresentations and lies”.
You have shown the very same behavior in this thread (such as in the posts you made which started this whole kerfluffle), followed by your assertion that I stated I was going to “prove” that hippies “caused the country to go in the toilet”. My cite clearly showed that you were wrong, as you have admitted, in saying I claimed several times that I was going to “prove” my point. You then handwaved it away claiming there was little difference. If there was little difference, why did you choose to mischaracterize what I’d said rather than what I actually did say? I’ll tell you why: because you believed it would cast me in a more negative light than would the truth.
So, given the lies and misrepresentations that you are already guilty of in this very thread, I don’t think I’m gonna arse myself to go through that entire thread looking for other examples to prove my case.
As far as my calling you a “schmuck” where you never did the same, so what? I didn’t say I never called you a name that you didn’t call me first; I said I didn’t believe I’d ever insulted you without provokation. If I called you a schmuck (which a search of all five pages of the thread you linked to failed to turn up) you undoubtedly provoked it by acting like a schmuck, just like you’ve been doing in this thread.
I’ll gladly defend (or retact and apologize if necessary) anything I’ve actually said on this board. But I won’t stand by and let someone, especially a mod, falsely accuse me of making comments I haven’t made or to make up an entire history of offensive postings that are nothing but fiction.
The fact that tomndebb is a mod, and that along with that title comes a certain presumption of honesty and integrity, makes the offense even worse – especially since his behavior is obviously motivated by his having taken a personal dislike to me based on our previous interactions.
If tomndebb had had the integrity one would expect of a mod and owned up to his false accusations and apologized like I asked, things would never have gotten to this point. I considered pitting him over this but in my opinion it’s more likely that the people who’ve read his false accusations in this thread would be more likely to see my refutations here also. So to paraphrase what he said about me upthread, he made his bed here and so I chose to make him lie in it here.
My request that he recant and apologize still stands. He can put an end to this at any time simply by manning up and admitting that he was wrong and apologizing accordingly.
I see - so when you said it was trolling, you were lying, even by your own definitions.
So it is trolling to use Obama’s middle name, but that is not trolling.
I see. So it is your contention that Stephe96 uses Obama’s middle name in nearly every thread in which he posts. Could you cite this? I did a search of his posts for the word “Hussein” and found not even one hit, apart from this thread.
No, you dipshit. It’s his contention that Stephe96 called the President by his middle name repeatedly in a single thread.
Bad news, tom~. You know that rule about not calling people trolls, and characterizing their behavior as trollish, and how it’s relaxed in the Pit, so we can use it for the purpose of venting our spleen at one another? Apparently, mods aren’t allowed to take advantage of that relaxation. Who knew?
Regards,
kaylasdad99 (who really does regard Shodan as a dipshit)
Even after all this time I still have not figured out whether you are the stupidest or simply the most dishonest poster on the SDMB.
As I have noted a couple of times, (only to have you cherry pick phrases and deliberately use them out of context), Stephe96 trolled in the early part of this thread by using a formulaic expression of contempt in a way that did nothing to actually make a point except as a way to rile up other posters. That is trolling. (I have made no claim that that is his only action on the SDMB or that it is his standard practice. Every point I have made referred to this thread, alone–which is why in my separate dsiscussion, I noted that I do not think that a poster who trolls on one or even a few occasions should incur the label “troll” as a general descriptor.)
In the course of that formulaic expression repeated at the beginning of this thread, one central part of his litttle recitation was the use of the current president’s middle name. Therefore, the question Why use the president’s middle name? is correctly answered by the response Trolling.
You know this and I know this and everyone reading this thread knows this, yet you will still pretend that I have made a false statement.
Perhaps you really are that stupid. I suspect, however, that you are simply playing stupid to perform your own little troll, here. It is OK. This is the Pit and you are permitted to make as much of an ass of yourself as you deem necessary to try to yank my chain.
I understand how you might interpret the repeated use of of Hussein as an intentional irritant, and therefore, trolling. My question is, as best as you can recall, did anyone ever get a trolling warning/banning/admonition/scolding for the repeated use of “Shrub” or “Chimp” in threads about Dubya? Either here or over in GD where you spend most of your time? Either by yourself or another mod?
Different question: Hussein is the President’s middle name, so why not allow someone to use it all he wants? Might not a better course of action been to tell those offenders to get over it, it’s his name. And if the person repeating it wants to STILL keep repeating it, have him run the risk of looking either childish or having just one trick up his sleeve?
Did referring to His Chimpy-Shrubbyness by those names actually merit any negative response from a mod?
More to the point, did anyone ever ask a poster “Why do you keep referring to Bush by his middle initial?”, or “Why do you keep referring to Bush as ‘Shrub’?”, or “Why do you keep referring to Bush as ‘Chimp’?” If they had, do you suspect that tomndebb would have interjected with something other than a form of “To get a rise out of his supporters.”