Fucking stupid ignorant shitbrained asshole!

The BBQ Pit
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So I’m watching one of those late night political talk shows last night, on Fox News or one of those all-news networks. They’re talking about the surgeon general’s latest report about (gasp) sex! I’ve listened for all of about 30 seconds when one of the panelists pipes up. He mentions that Satcher is pro partial-birth abortion, as though that is at all relevant. Then he gives us this gem:

“We don’t need this report. We already know what proper sexual behavior is. Christ himself tells us that…”

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Aarrggh!!

Why is America saddled with these fuckwits? Who in their right mind takes sex advice from an illiterate, Mediterranean peasant who lived 2000 years ago and thought that diseases were caused by demonic possession?!

Because we all know that nothing has happened in the last 2000 years in the fields of medicine, human rights, women’s rights, marriage standards, etc. And everything we need to know can be summed up in a few lines spoken in Aramaic and written down 40 years later in Greek, right?

You wonder why America has such high rates of teenage pregnancy, abortion, divorce, and sexual dysfunction? It’s repressed, puritanical shitheads like this motherfucker and his millions of brethren who can’t possibly fathom the idea that maybe the final words on morality and ethics weren’t written 2000 years ago. That maybe everything isn’t black and white. That maybe we can actually learn something from doctors and scientists who have spent decades trying to understand human sexuality, rather than just ignoring them because they contradict an ancient book of Jewish mythology and anti-Gnostic propaganda.

Final rant: Why was this idiot on TV? Why should religious figures appear on shows to talk about stuff which they know nothing about? Do we invite Falwell on to talk about whether the Fed should cut interest rates? But somehow when there’s some issue of morality or sex, the fundies are always there to give their side. What the fuck is up with that?

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Thank you!

It’s so frustrating to listen to people around here bemoaning the obscenely high rate of teenage pregancies in Oklahoma and then have them turn around and refuse to let anything be taught in schools but abstinence as birth control and the sex education taught in the public schools is pathetic.

Why?

“Because sex before marriage is wrong”. Let’s see. What percentage of the population is actually going to wait until marriage? Based on the incidence of teenage pregnancy, I would say the percentage waiting is very low indeed.

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For the fundies of the world; live and let live, baby. If sex out of wedlock is wrong for you, fine. But don’t tell me or anyone else how to live our lives. I believe it was Christ who said something along the lines of “cast the beam out of your own eye before you start bitching about the speck in your neighbour’s eye”. In other words, tend to your own knitting.

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I’m not defending this person (whoever he is) but they have “idiots” on TV all the time. I watch Fox TV pretty regularly. They have all sorts of interesting people on there. They want to get a “balanced” view, so they talk to people from all sides, even the “extremists”. I am assuming that the other panelists on this news program countered whatever this one guy said. That’s how it is supposed to work - all “sides” get their say, and then everyone else can pick their views apart, or strongly disagree. And then the viewer can decide who they think sounds the most reasonable.

I’ll never forget the leader of the “New Black Panther Party” - man - that guy’s loopy. He had both the liberal and conservative guys on “Hannity and Colmes” arguing on the same side. But - hey! He was interviewed, he was given plenty of time to talk. He was treated with respect. But I thought he was a raving nutjob, if there ever was one.

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One of the more memorable exchanges that I saw along these lines was, I believe, on Larry King some years back. He was talking to some fugly lady who was either a senator or governor or mayor or wife of one of those, or somesuch. The topic was equal rights for gays or sex education or some similar topic that fundies like to be secretly titillated by, flutter their hands, and get all outwardly indignant about. It led to this wonderful exchange, when Larry inquired as to where one could find the laws of nature that made it clear that such practices were wrong:

Fugly Lady: …in the Virginia State Code…
Larry: The laws of nature are written in the Virginia State Code?
FL: Yes.

I turned off the set at that point, so I’m sure I missed some backpedaling explanatory context. I’m sure whatever it might have been, it would have included “…in the Bible…”

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First off, can I have a solid definition for a fundie? I’m just curious…

But yeag, a lot of people (a lot of STUPID people) have taken things out of the Bible and turned it and used it against the things that I believe Jesus himself would fight for. And a lot of shit has been done at the hands of those fighting for what they believed was right.

But I’m on the side for reality-aware Christians. Yeah, sex before marriage is wrong according to the Bible, ok? That’s cool. But if you look around, just like Arden Ranger said, not that many people are digging their heels into it. There is a lot of premarital sex happening. So, just because you believe that premarital sex is wrong, you should ignore it and pretend it’s not there. And promote abstinence as the ONLY answer. Because, you know, the only safe sex is NO sex. (Excluding masturbation according to some, but that’s another story. Note: Bible says nothing about masturbation.)

Hell no, and yes, it’s stupid. To me, sex ed shouldn’t cover so much about preventing sex, because odds are it isn’t and won’t work. They should be covering important things like where to get birth control, the right kinds to use, how to put on a condom, etc-things that will actually be used.
Featherlou, I’m sorry people think that telling you how to live your life is going to do anything but harm…I think the original idea was to live by example, which unfortunely got extremely fucked over.

For example, if I’m a good person all around- someone who works hard, is a trustworthy friend, loving parent, supportive spouse and tries to better his/her community and self for the sake of others- chances are I’m going to have a much greater empact than being a “Good Christian” on Sunday mornings when I dress up to go to church and gossip after I cheated on my husband the night before and abused my kids and etc etc etc.

You probably know what I’m trying to say. I think it’s all a load of crap. The saddest thing about anything relating to Christianity is that everyone before has screwed it up. What I believe is not the same to me as Christianity, The Church, the Institution of Royal Fuck-Ups and Bigotry.

I think fundies are fucking crazy. (Then again, I don’t know what the hell I’m defined as. shrugs)

But please, please don’t write us all off as pyschos striving for a anti-gay, anti-minority, anti-everything world.

Cuz I’m not, whatever I am. And the people who share my beliefs aren’t either.

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In my school district, when i went to school you got ‘the talk’ twice at school, a couple hours in 5th grade and then a four week couse during gym class in 8th grade.

There were no follow-up courses anytime in high school. It was not mentioned in health class, and i do not believe that either of my sisters had the topic discussed in their health class, this last year when they were freshmen.

You could take Child Development, and i understand that they are encouraging everyone to take this course.:rolleyes:

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I believe that, in the original Aramaic, “beam” actually read “ass-pole”.
I am too drunk to provide the thread reference.
You can figure out for yourselves the original translations of “eye” and "knitting"

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It always bothers me a bit when I see references to Christ and Jesus in debates like this, simply because not everyone believes that he was the son of god, or even anyone particularly special. So to a lot of people, that comes out as ‘This one guy thousands of years ago said…’. It means nothing, to a lot of people. Shouldn’t debates like this stick to provable facts?

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Christ hisself told me that you should be mightily smoten!

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A long technical report makes for dull TV.
A railing fundie makes for fun TV.

Before selling viewers to their advertisers, TV networks have to capture the viewers in the first place. They can not do it with dull TV, so they lay out fundies as bait.

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Any Biblical scholars want to tell us exactly what Christ said about sex anyway? I don’t recall it being one of his major concerns.

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ruadh, I’m taking a class on Sexuality and Religion, which starts this coming Tuesday. I’ll keep you posted on what I find out.

As for the fuckwitts - Play MY favourite game, and try to outfundie the fundie! It’s SO MUCH FUN! By the time I’m done with them, they figure they’re going straight to hell so the pop by the drugstore and buy sleeping pills on the way home.

Honest! It’s a great way to channel your frustrations. I’ve had a number of fundies in classes I’ve taken or taught, and trust me, this is a fun game.

Elly

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I thought the bible said that “it is better to cast your seed upon a whore than to spill it in the dust of the ground” or some such. Am I getting my religions mixed up?

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That’s just telling you where to aim.

grins I’ll look around and see what I can find about that one.
Anyone found a real definition for fundies yet?

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“Fundie” is short for Fundamentalist Christian. Merriam-Websters defines Fundamentalism as:

Some folks use “fundie” to describe any Fundamentalist. Others use it only to describe a peculiar breed of Fundamentalist who seems to be unaware that there is anything in the world besides the Bible. Others, like myself, don’t use the word at all, since many folks find it offensive. I prefer the longer “Christians (of the fundamentalist protestant variety).”

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Kinda weird-my Sunday School class got into a discussion about fundies after I read this thread…

Mnementh, provable facts? But that’s no fun!