I thought Loras was acting sullen the whole time. So much so that for a second I thought he was faking his love for Renly in that manly way. Until Renly called him on his jealousy. I do think it was jealousy and the ‘go do my sister’ was secondary to Loras poutiness.
This may be better asked in the spoiler thread but …
Why did the Starks leave the Greyjoys in power after the rebellion? That does not make sense.
Nobody ever uses the closed spoilers thread, heh.
They were obviously useful in someway. Probably something to do with their seafaring nature, shipping goods or fending off pirates and the like. Better to have a vanquished and weakened former enemy in control than have chaos and anarchy. By taking in Theon, they apparently hoped to gradually improve relations, such as how alliances are built through marriage.
It’s good to be the king!
Great episode. Tyrion’s kindly expression as he gives a coin… no, on second thought, two coins… to Pycelle’s whore just made the scene. (Was that the same whore we saw the Grand Maester with last season, BTW? I think she was different). Littlefinger’s scenes with Tyrion were also terrific. You can just see his nimble brain humming along, weighing every situation for risks and benefits.
Yoren was a standup guy - sorry to see him get snuffed. And although Brienne isn’t as ugly as billed, she’ll do. She has a certain dignity and reserve that is quite fitting, even though she’s “no lady.”
Well, you can’t kill them all. You really need to leave Ironborn to rule Ironborn, or you’ll just have another rebellion. By leaving Balon in power locally, but taking his last son as a hostage to his good behavior, you theoretically keep him toeing the line. And it worked, at least until the North essentially disintegrated after Ned died. Sending Theon to Balon not only showed weakness, but lost what little leverage Robb had.
I wonder if holding Theon hostage was worth anything at all considering his father’s very low opinion of him. Still, I think if Theon had come home crusted in sea salt and dripping with finery bought with “iron”, his dad still would have rejected him since Theon is the embodiment of Balron “bending the knee”.
Not spoiling. Though I’ve read the books, I can’t really remember so here’s my best guess:
The rebellion was a fight of the Baratheons and the allied families against “mad king” Targaryen and his allied familes. And by the latter, I mean every single house in the Seven Kingdoms not on Baratheon’s side. There were a lot. But when the old king died, the war was over. It was Robert’s kingdom now. He had a choice. Do you continue to fight against those who may not be true enemies but just going along because they don’t want to piss off the King, do you needlessly prolong the war rounding up the dissenters? Or do you ask them to lay down arms, swear fealty, give up a hostage and some lands, and they can go about their business?
Oh, and I really wanted to see Theon get (temporarily) drowned by the priest of the Drowned God. Just kneeling and getting water poured on him was a pallid substitute.
I really liked this ep. Tyrion’s subterfuge to find the snitch was very nicely done. I do wonder why Joffrey has not had Tyrion killed. Tyrion slapped Joffrey around and humilated him publicly, and now that Joffrey is king he would see this as a golden opportunity to avenge himself. The threats Tyrion made to Cersei: “They will impale your daughter’s head on a spike right beside yours” would not stop Joffrey. If Joffrey were capable of understanding considerations like that, he would not have had Ned Stark killed in the first place.
Balons Rebellion was not the same as Robert’s rebellion. Theon has only been with the Starks 9 or 10 years, Robert’s rebellion was like 17 years before the show.
So it was.
On a different note, I wonder how well Tyrion’s plan would have been had two or all three gone to Cersei. At that point, Cersei would have just shaken her head, said that her brother was trying to screw with them, and probably tried to screw him right back (not in the literal sense, which I feel I need to spell out when we’re discussing Cersei). In any case, Tyrion wouldn’t have known who the snitch was.
Yeah, different whore. It was Roz (Ros?) in S1.
Yes, and this time it was the one that Ros was showing around just before Janos Slynt got stabby.
Oh! :smack: That was the same girl? No shit … Thanks for pointing that out!
But that was the point. The truly devout drown and are revived, whereas others take the token drowning. Theon, unsurprisingly, opts for the easy road. Paying the gold price again, so to speak.
I got the impression based on the look shared between them that the first coin was payment for the job, and the second was for silence.
I got that impression, too, but it doesn’t make much sense. Anyone who got the idea that the whore had information they wanted could simply torture it out of her, it’s not like there’s anything like due process in the GoT world. If Tyrion had wanted to be sure the girl would keep her silence, having her throat cut would have been his best course. It’s what most of the nobles in GoT would have done.
I don’t think Littlefinger would appreciate people destroying his property very much.
What secrets of Tyrion does she know anyway? That wasn’t exactly a covert operation.
I think it was just Tyrion’s fondness of whores and the downtrodden.
She now knows that there is something about the Queen that Jon Arryn had to die because he knew. It’s not Tyrion’s secret he was paying to be hushed up, it’s Cersei’s.