Well, yeah. With Joffrey dead, who would he get to pimp slap over and over ? Everybody needs a stress reliever.
I’m fervently hoping the two crispy bodies are the Stark children for real. I like them as characters and their scenes are pretty interesting but geez, all first season all I ever heard about the series was how anyone could die at any time and you never knew who was next. That’s a ballsy approach to a story, and the two Stark kids being roasted marshmallows would be entirely consistent with such an approach.
Having the two burned bodies being the two orphans is almost certainly what it actually is, and I will be tremendously let down by that cheap popcorn-flick cop-out. I will similarly be let down by what will inevitably be another cheap popcorn-flick cop-out when Kingslayer survives the night with no reprisals more severe than a stern talking-to.
Ned’s beheading gave me hope for a truly “you’ll never know who’s gonna die next!” experience, but apart from that one instance it’s been basic run of the mill Hollywood Storytelling 101.
I feel I’ve been misled by the book readers’ hype machine.
I have not read the books. But I still want to say, “This show just keeps getting better and better every episode”, and it does that in so many ways.
The characters and their relationships keep becoming more interesting. The visual vistas and costumes keep becoming more stunning and more beautiful. The plot twists and developments keep becoming more fascinating.
I don’t want to take a chance and say anything that could be considered a spoiler.
I’m fairly new to this show and this board and the concept of “spoilers”. But I wanted to say that I think many of you have made some great posts here and done some excellent thinking.
Good on all of you!
a couple ep’s ago he said “the king is already lost” or something very close to that. (or I am out of my mind) I would not be even slightly surprised to find Joffrey dead on Tyrions orders, and I also suspect that Cersei was coming to the realization that Joffrey was going to end up a corpse one way or another very very soon.
and Jon Snow? you are one very special dude, and I do mean special like church lady or Jerry’s kids.
I dunno, I think Cersei has come to realize the same thing Joffrey has learned with his latest dose of bitch-slap – the acting hand (Tyrion) has the real power, for now. Cersei’s new detente with Tyrion is entirely in keeping with her facing facts and deciding that being on good terms with her lil’ bro is in her best interests. In fact, her best opportunity to retain any semblance of power is to act as the ambassador between Joffrey and Tyrion/Tywin.
For now. I’m not completely sold on the idea of Tyrion/Cersei conspiring against Joffrey, but he really does have to go, on pretty much every level. By that I mean not just from an viewer/story perspective, but from the perspective of all the characters. Pretty much everyone in Westeros has suffered because of Joffrey, and pretty much everyone would likely be better off if he were to meet his end.
P.S. I meant to mention that it has probably got back to Cersei that Tyrion now also commands her arsenal of firebombs. If he can just walk in and take over her shit like that, she now knows that he’s truly in charge.
She probably heard of the latest bitch-slap, too. And even *she *couldn’t get away with that!
Yes, that’s right. (It’s not a real word - I just smooshed together a vague memory from geometry, and the alleged saintly power of bilocation)
Theon just jumped out of an airplane, and it’s looking more and more like his parachute won’t function. If he’d just harried the coast in his measly ship, there would have been a possibility of him realizing his dad’s a tool, and going back to the Stark side. Since he took Winterfell, that is absolutely out of the question, so his only chance for a home is to maintain his place among the Pyke people. If he continues to fuck up and they lose what little respect they have for him, he’d be lucky to wind up wandering the countryside as a sellsword or going to the Wall. More likely that creepy first mate would wind up fragging him. So he’s really, really desperate, and has wound up doing things he wouldn’t normally do, right up to roasting Chekhov’s orphans.
For nitpicking’s sake, and because I’m a huge etymology geek : it’s a “wrong” made up word since dodeca- is a Greek root, but location comes from the Latin. Not that there really is anything wrong with that, we use plenty of such hybrid words, like “pacifist” or “polyamorous”. It’s just inelegant to the musty scholar. Do you want to make Maester Luwin cry some more ?! 
Anyway, the fully Latin-based word would be duodecilocate. No idea about the Greek however.
Spoiling means you have confirmed knowledge of what’s going to happen in the future and you tell other people who don’t have that knowledge, so if you haven’t read the books, you can’t spoil anyone. Unless you’ve watched a leaked copy of a future episode or otherwise have insider knowledge of the coming episodes. So if you are watching each episode as it airs and have no idea of what’s going to happen next week, you can say whatever you want.
I just want to say that as every week goes by, I love Jorah/Iain Glenn more and more. His face when Quaithe asked him if he would betray Dany again…goddamn.
Ah, nothing like sitting down to a rollicking popcorn-flick featuring the charred corpses of orphan children. It’s a family fun-fest! Two thumbs up! 
I’m a little slow on the uptake; what was that in reference to? I assumed it meant he left to “find a ship” in coordination with whomever stole the dragons, but that doesn’t really seem in character. Was there a previous betrayal I’m just forgetting about?
Talking about Quaithe; her accent reminds me of Melisandre’s.
I couldn’t remember any “betrayal” either. My guess was that it was some kind of betrayal that hasn’t yet been revealed, or maybe just his failure to be there and protect her when needed.
During season one he was the one feeding information to Varys about Viserys and Dany. He even got a pardon for his crimes when they sent the assassin after Dany, but he decided to protect her rather than go back.
I think the betrayal comment refers back to season one. Jorah was initially passing information back to Varys, including the fact that Dany was pregnant, which lead to the assassination attempt via the wine merchant, which Jorah ultimately foiled. So he betrayed her and saved her.
The question then is: how does she know about that ? I doubt she was Varys’ contact, since Qarth is more or less on the opposite side of the world from Westeros with the whole span of Essos (a landmass roughly the size of Eurasia) in between… She could be a seer, I suppose ?
I think there’s some validity to this in general, in that while Ned did get beheaded, the rest of the main-ish characters have all survived just fine even when they might easily have died. That said, Bran and Rickon escaping here wouldn’t strike me as a cheap hollywood copout at all. It would be one thing if we saw them totally surrounded by baddies in all directions, and they somehow just miraculously vanished. Instead, they’re being led by an experienced wildling who presumably knows a lot about throwing hounds off the scent, as far as I know they have been many hours in the lead the whole time, then the hounds lost the scent, and then the baddies (who seem to have very few compunctions) ended up in a location where we already knew there were two small boys, and the baddies have a strong incentive to come up with a show of strength and cruelty. Dany surviving the desert and then being let into Qarth two episodes ago was a lot more of a miraculous survival than it would be for Bran and Rickon to not be dead here.
In their world, ravens can fly at the speed of plot.
If it makes you feel any better, I got a lot of nerdy enjoyment out of your correction. Language is cool.
Haven’t posted in this thread since it started, because with these long epic fantasy types, you know there’s going to be a bunch of setup and jostling before the arcs smooth out a little… however this episode was the turning point for me, I really felt like there were some characters who have now got some really epic plot devices that are about to come good. I haven’t read any of the books so I’m just guessing where these guys are heading, or perhaps better to say that I am just wishing -
Dany is showing her age… she is fiery, impetuous and strong willed, but naieve and prone to pouting. I’m pretty sure her arc is going to take a drastically different turn to where she thinks it is headed. Her bloodline and her dragons are all she has (her tribe is little more than a begging line now) and this is what the Qarth duo are after. I would not be surprised to find out that the warlock has a dragon growth fast-track plan, his line of “and she will nourish them, and they will grow” was foreshadowed by his boasts and displays of time/space manipulation. With the city, a king, and 3 (full size?) dragons, they are a force to reckon with.
Jon Snow… hate how he’s so incompetent, but love his inner turmoil. The red headed wildling gave the best clue as to where I think he is headed (that and his last name)… the king of the wildings used to be a crow huh? Jon knows that there is no black and white, he is grey himself (bastard) and morality is blurred beyond belief. He bought into her vision of free… and I have the feeling that Westeros will need someone to unite the wildings with them, as the real danger is far bigger - dragons and white walkers/winter.
I genuinely think the burned bodies may be Bran and the other Stark. Theon had no clue, and with some goading from his 2IC, has gotten way out of his depth. I can see him really starting the war by killing those kids… he’ll struggle with it later on, but having a character in turmoil unwitingly become the largest progenitor for all out war sounds iron isles to me. I think they are much crueler and savage than portrayed, cleft-chin-whatsit (Finchy from the UK ofice to me…) is the yardstick, and he’s loving it.
Tyrion… what a character. I took his scene with Cersei another direction from most people. I think that silence and stare was a tacit agreement between them. Cersei said mothers have to love their children, they have no choice. But that doesn’t mean she cannot see he is bad for the family. The setup with Targaryans making 50% mental cases seems to open the door for her justifying his death, as he will only get worse and weaken the Lannisters overall. She seemed to be asking Tyrion to do the dirty work - I agree he wants to promote the Lannisters lineage, but I can also see him accepting that killing Joffrey is the only way to do so.
None of this is end game stuff yet, but I can see the game changing from who gets the throne to a rush for powerful allies. I think there will be some alliances no one is expecting, there are no ‘goodies’ and ‘baddies’ in this land. Men and swords are not enough when dragons, demons, zombies and magic are in play.