Interesting point, but Danerys dragon eggs were fossilized, so the apparent new vitality of the dragons could be that these are very old dragon eggs from the time dragons got quite large, rather than the latest dragon eggs from the ones that were quite small due the husbandry skills of the targaryans.
So it could be the size of the dragons was related to the degeneration of the Targerayns and Dany is somehow resetting the ‘purity’ or whathaveyou and allowing the dragons to get larger. Or due to the resurgence of magic Dany through no inherent power of herself ( other than not being barking mad or a total jackass) manged to resuscitate some very old dragon eggs that were not eggs from a small dragon that were increasingly small due to wanning “general magical field” or shitty husbandry.
I can ditto your disclaimer, and I don’t think we have enough to go on from the shows, but for me there seams to be a general increase in the power of magic ( fire gods, the dodgy guys in Karth, dragons comming back from old eggs) and Danerys is just the right lass in the right place at the right time, rather than her being the specific catalyst for the dragons. There is obviously some " being a Targaryan helps control dragon element" but maybeitbisnt all Dany.
What is causing the general increase in the non specific magical field( maybe the higgs boson, hell they need to call the next ship based character Higgs so they can make a bad Bosun Higgs pun) no fricking clue, winter, white walkers, dany or a particulalry noxious Tully wet shit.
And Maergaery has one damned good poker face. Yes, yes her mother taught her. That is indeed correct.
I expect incest - same as the kings who rode them. Though whether the dragons were driven into it by the kings or vice versa would be an interesting question.
Dany’s eggs however seem to me to have been much older than 300 years old, and thus presumably were free from all the rampant hickery. How long does it take for something to petrify, anyway ?
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It’s not really weird (although unlike Tywin, we do have the benefit of having seen what the dragons were capable of, runts as they still may be).
However, I do find a large measure of comfort in the fact that, even when he’s got a lone good point to make, he still finds it necessary to preface and postface it with enough whining, nagging and pissantery that even Gandhi would want to belt him in his annoying gob. I’m living for the day Tywin’s patience finally runs out and he just socks him one right in the middle of a small council sessions. With an axe.
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Anyone catch the music over Jaime and Brienne’s exit at the end? A nice touch…
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I wondered about that, actually. That was the Rains of Castamere, wasn’t it ?
Yes it was, and a really nice version, at that. Not sure we’ve heard the instrumental before, have we? Just Tyrion whistling it, Bronn singing it, and “The National” singing it over the credits of Blackwater, right?
Speaking of Sansa’s conversation with Margaery, did anyone else chuckle at her fleeting, 10-second moment of total clarity? Something like, “I’m so stupid, I have no idea what’s going on, and I never learn!”
Of course, it’s immediately followed by her naively swallowing Margaery’s obvious lie!
I almost don’t care who else survives the series so long as Tyrion ends up king and Jaime and Brienne end up in a nice split level with a pet dragon and two pretty tall non-inbred kids.
Right, that nice Jaimie fellow who tried to murder a kid in episode 1, then laughed about it and said, “The things I do for the realm.” Totally deserves a happy ending!
You’re joking, but you relativize things a lot in this show. Jaime didn’t held his baby brother face in a fire, he didn’t have rats eating someone’s entrails, he doesn’t shot whores to death for fun, he doesn’t cut off people’s dicks or hands on a regular basis…so he’s rather a nice guy.
ETA : just remembered he coldly murdered his awed and trusting cousin in order to escape from that cage. All things considered, fuck relativism, he’s as bad as the others and doesn’t deserve redemption.
That’s what I like best about GOT. Moral questions are central. Are we defined by our past acts? What happens when we regret our decisions, and change, and make new ones? Arguably, Theon hasn’t done anywhere near as much ‘evil’ as Jaime has, yet we find ourselves sympathising with Jaime more. Is it just because the man has a winning personality? Both Theon and Jaime have now lost a ‘part’ of them that was important to them. I find the parallels between the two characters very interesting.
No he didn’t. One of his men did, and he ‘allowed’ it. He said this a few episodes back. Jaime on the other hand killed ‘countless’ people, killed his own kin, tried to kill Eddard Stark, tried to kill Bran and probably many others I can’t think of off the top of my head.
But he has that winning personality that makes you forget.
Edit: The only person Theon has killed directly is Rodrick Cassel. Oh, and the wildling who was going to kill Bran.
Losing his hand goes some in the credit column for Jaime’s penance.
Other than Tyrion (who hasn’t killed anybody except in battle or in retribution for needing killing and whose only sexual deviance involves run-of-the-mill patronizing whores), is there a living character who’s morally admirable?
Arguably Varys- he has his own morality.
Daenarys is really questionable: seems a great thing that she’s freed so many slaves, but if you were one of the wage workers who got slaughtered or robbed when they were sacking the city you’d probably think differently. (You only see her victims like the slave master and Xaro who bring it on themselves; the sacking of cities happens off camera.)
Some of those I’ll admit are morally problematic, but I’d hear a motion to dismiss his attempt to kill Eddard Stark. He had motive to be p.o.d (Tyrion’s arrest- which he incorrectly but not unreasonably thought Ned was responsible for), and sticking up for Tyrion goes a long way.
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Edit: The only person Theon has killed directly is Rodrick Cassel. Oh, and the wildling who was going to kill Bran.
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Yeah, but he was totally responsible for killing the farmboys and for everybody else who died at Winterfell, and he did so while undertaking an act of complete personal betrayal of somebody who trusted him and who treated him with more respect than his own family ever had.
But family is family. If I was in Theon’s shoes, I’d want to do right by my father too. Theon only accidentally touches his sister up- whilst Jaime seems quite fond of incest.
They’re at least equal then. Jaime just has more scope to justify his actions as ultimately noble or necessity for self-preservation. It is because Theon’s crimes are more premeditated than Jaime’s ‘crimes of passion’? Jaime seems to have done a lot of his killing impulsively.
Cat would’ve thrown any Lannister kid out of a window to save the life of her own kids. Hell, so would most people I think. And those “countless” people he mentioned were probably in battle. Killing his cousin is his biggest crime IMO.
Well, at least she didn’t try and “save” a pet one this time around to feel all noble and shit. Mirri Maz Dur at least taught her that.
As for morally clean characters, well, Jon Snow comes to mind, he’s been kinda heroic the whole way through : not going out of his way to taunt Tyrion when he was a guest at Winterfell, helping Sam when everyone else in Castle Black was bullying him, opting not to kill the defenceless pretty redhead (though arguably, that was a bitch’s move), speaking up against Craster when everyone else just clammed up for fear he tossed them out (again, arguably a stupid idea, but that’s nobility for you)… I don’t think he’s killed anyone in any non-battle context, either. And he does that thing with his tongue…
I’d argue that Davos the Onion Knight is also quite admirable : loyal to a fault, humble but not falsely so (and not without his pride, as Stannis notes re: making the onion his own sigil), does what he can to avoid unnecessary bloodshed and even his past misdeeds are pretty benign relative to all the 'orribleness people get up to around here.
