Flew on dragons, wasn’t a dragon. Is everyone who can ride on a horse descended from horses?
They say Robb Stark turns into a wolf, eats children and cannot be killed.
Robb knew how to win battles, but had no idea how to win the war.
There was the incident when her brother was killed, she said something like, “he can’t have been a dragon, because fire hurt him.” She also wasn’t bothered by the fire when the eggs hatched.
For those arguing that Dany isn’t part dragon, how is she immune to fire? Careful with “it’s magic” as an answer, as that answer equally supports Dany being part dragon.
Horses aren’t magical beings. It’s not unreasonable to imagine that dragons wouldn’t let a regular human ride them; only those with dragon blood. Or even that riding on the shoulders of a fire-breathing dragon would barbecue you into a charcoal briquette when it used its breath attack, not from open flame but just the heat.
If Daenerys is descended from dragons and that’s why she’s immune to fire, why isn’t her brother, Viserys, born from the same set of parents, immune to fire?
The answer supports Dany being part dragon as much as it supports her being part unicorn. She isn’t part dragon because nobody in her family ever fucked a dragon as far as anyone knows, while there are plenty of examples of other characters who are simply “magical”.
No, it doesn’t. Even in a world in which magic exists, there are kinds of magic that are more or less likely, a human successfully copulating with a dragon being one of the less likely. The very fact that no credible source of information, not even Danaerys herself, has ever explicitly claimed that “my ancestor literally fucked a dragon,” is enough to make it a highly suspect conclusion.
How do you know what the relative magicalness of horses and dragons are? Humans aren’t normally magical beings either. And just being “magical” in one way or another is not by itself a reason to believe there was an actual dragon-human mating scenario.
It’s not impossible that Danaerys turns out to be a literal dragon, but the show offers no reason to believe this is literally true.
Pretty good episode, and a good start to the new season, I’d say.
I know it would make for boring TV, but I wonder about the logistics of Danys’ army. We never see the cooks, armorers, supply wagons etc. it would require.
I completely understand why Sansa is as she is, given the many problems she’s had, but she’s neither a beauty nor a very good actress IMHO.
Loved the dragons. Dany is not completely in charge.
Loved the scene with Jaime, Joffrey and the book of past Kingsguard knights. You can just see Jaime coming to understand what a monstrous, petulant douchebag his son the King is.
Yes, Kingsguard service is supposed to be for life, but I’m sure Tywin could prevail upon the King to discharge Jaime from his duty (as he did that older knight who ended up with Dany), pardon him (again) for the breach of his oath, and let him go back to Casterly Rock.
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The Hound was pretty amazing this episode:
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[li]Lots of people name their swords. Lots of cunts.[/li][li]You’re going to die over a chicken? Someone is. [/ul][/li][/QUOTE]
Loved those lines. The Hound is a freakin’ badass. My other favorite line this week:
Snooty Dornishman: “You’re a lord? How did you become a lord?”
Bronn (shrugs): “Killed the right people, I guess.”
Sign me up! I’d watch that, too. I’m always glad to see more of Brienne.
Not a bad theory.
The Duke of Wellington considered himself an Englishman to the core but was actually born in Ireland. He once said, “Just because one is born in a stable does not make one a horse.”
I’d like to point out that it feels like I’m arguing with people who have outside knowledge. Based on nothing but the show, right now in the story it is clear and undeniable that Dany is part dragon:
[ul][li]She’s immune to heat and fire[/li][li]She gave birth to a (stillborn) scaly half-dragon baby[/li][li]She communes with dragons[/li][li]She intuitively knew how to hatch the ancient dragon eggs[/li][li]Her family history is closely tied to dragons[/ul][/li]
If she’s not part dragon, but instead just randomly happens to be immune to fire in a ridiculously happy coincidence for someone who spends a lot of time around fire-breathing dragons, that strains suspension of disbelief to the breaking point lacking additional information not yet presented in the story.
Also, it’s not required for an ancestor to literally fuck a dragon to be descended from dragons. Again: It’s magic.
Recessive gene?
After a smoke, I could see maybe an ancestor fought a dragon, got bit by one and somehow survived (or maybe brought back from the dead by the Red God) and as a result was imbued with the traits of a dragon sort of like a werewolf bite. This dragon essence being passed to some children and not others is the least unbelievable aspect of such a story device.
In any case, we don’t know for sure, but nothing presented in the show to date points to anything other than Dany is indeed part dragon.
It’s not outside knowledge, it’s simple logic.
Lannisters aren’t lions, Starks aren’t wolves, Targaryens aren’t dragons.
Daenerys has magical powers. Viserys didn’t, the Mad King didn’t, Rhaegar didn’t.
Melisandre has magical powers. Thoros of Myr has magical powers. Bran has magical powers. Jojen has magical powers. Orell had magical powers. The warlocks of Qarth have/had magical powers. Jaqen H’ghar has magical powers.
Daenerys is magical, but not a dragon. If Daenerys is magical because she’s a dragon, then her brothers and father and mother would’ve also been. If Daenerys is magical because she’s a dragon, does that mean that the other people who are magical are also dragons?
Well, the family mythology is that they are in fact part dragon. Whether that is true is unknown, but the Taegaryans certainly believe it is the truth.
I don’t see why it couldn’t be a recessive trait.
I’ve not read a single word of the books and have avoided all book spoilers. From the facts given I can’t see her literally being part dragon. Dragon-inspired magic could be passed on in many different ways.
Starks and Lannisters didn’t get their sigil because they thought their ancestors were wolves or lions. Nor did their ancestors ride upon magical lions or wolves. Nor do they have magical powers intimately related to their sigils.
It’s a silly comparison. It’s possible that Dany’s magic came just completely at random, and just happens to intimately coincide with her family’s historical abilities and mythology, but that’d be a pretty huge coincidence and bad storytelling, so at this junction it’s a pretty reasonable assumption that dragon magic and the targaryens are related.
The show strongly points to there being a magical link between Targaryen blood and dragons, a link manifested strongly in Dany and presumably much less strongly in Viserys. How you get from that to her being “part dragon” is unclear to me.
Isn’t that the most dialog we’ve had from The Hound to date?
Not to mention the conversation between Tywin and Tyrion where Tywin makes it clear he needs plausible deniability.
Well, I’m guessing the fool’s necklace will become the wedge between Sansa and house Tyrell when Margaery wantsit wantsit wantsitNOW ? That, or Shae will believe it’s a gift from Tyrion and blow another gasket.
Agreed with **clairobscur **on the new Daario - he looks sort of generic for a man who killed two old friends “for beauty”. I know they couldn’t keep Ed Skein who had other commitments, but… I dunno, wasn’t Fabio available ? 
I’m a bit puzzled by Jorah’s line : “Dragons cannot be tamed, even by their mother”. Didn’t the Targaryens use to ride them bitches into battle ? Did they just hold on for dear life while the dragons did what they felt like roasting, then did that cat thing where you look at people like the dumb thing that just happened was exactly what you were going for ?
He had to ally with the Frey’s regardless, because he had to cross the Twins to get where he needed to be. And he was going to need the Frey army regardless. Breaking the alliance with Walder Frey was obviously a terrible move, certainly, but it’s likely that the red wedding would have happened either way.