Game of Thrones 4.08 "The Mountain and the Viper" 6/1/14 [no spoilers]

FlayPal – I’m dying over here!

The Mountain: Challenge accepted!

Well, yeah, obviously. Am I missing the point?

Ever see Zombie Go Boom? It’s a YouTube channel where various weapons (and improvised weapons) are tested against model zombie heads. The later episodes use models the creators claim are almost entirely accurate in simulated skin, bone and brain. I used to think The Walking Dead was ridiculously exaggerated in terms of head destruction, but seeing the effects of even blunt weapons on those model heads has made me rethink. That said, I’m still a little sceptical of the idea that a man could crush another man’s skull with his hands.

It’s “The Flayed Man”. It has been mentioned a few times in sigil lessons, and there have been a few references to their tradition of flaying their enemies. I’m a little unclear as to why such glorification of sadism is seemingly considered appropriate in Westeros. It’s a pretty violent place, but there’s violence and then there’s having a fucking flayed man as your family banner. If anyone has indicated that they see it as in a different league to a stag or a fish, I’ve missed it. I hope someone mentions it.

Quite possibly a potato bug.

But is it part dragon?

I just happened to watch Star Trek: Into Darkness tonight and had forgotten that’s how Khan kills the bad guy admiral with the line “You should have let me sleep!”

The admiral’s daughter had a pretty similar reaction as Oberyn’s lady.

So did the Mountain.

ba dum dum

Add me to the list of people who didn’t see Oberyn’s death coming.

Sure, he showboated, but there are other cocky fighters in the series e.g. Daario.
With the Mountain on the ground (appropriately enough), the only drama I saw coming was Tywin would be named and shamed.

So GoT, once again…well played.

He didn’t really showboat. Showboating is saying “look at me, look how great I am” - his reason for drawing out the fight wasn’t to stroke his own ego, but rather to use the audience of the nobles of King’s Landing to publically accuse Tywin and to try to get some sort of confession out of the Mountain. He wanted Tywin just as much as he wanted the Mountain, and he was using the fight as a platform to set up his next move.

It wasn’t just drawing out the fight to get the confession; there was also the spinning around he was doing before they even started.

But I’m not saying he showed off too much or anything.
I’m trying to argue against the point that others were making (mostly on the first two pages) that anyone who shows off, or is too confident, inevitably gets their ass handed to them, so it was obvious that Oberyn was going to lose.
I don’t think either this observation or this conclusion is correct.

Tyrion definitely meant something to Oberyn even if his primary goal was an open confession.

Tommen greeted Tyrion warmly when Tyrion returned to King’s Landing at the start of season 2 so they do have a good relationship for whatever that will be worth (not much I suspect).

Tywin had Oberyn sister and children killed because they needed to kill all Taergaryn blood to keep the throne ( Daney is Exhibit A that this is true).

Aside: I just discovered my phone’s spell check apparently already had all of these GoT names preprogrammed into it which I find amusing.

Did I just not pay enough attention or whatever happened to Margaery Tyrell? I don’t think I saw her? (Although the trauma from that thing that happened to Oberyn’s head might cloud my memory)

I don’t think we’ve seen her since Tommen’s coronation, when she had a little chat with Cersei. So she’s just had a few episodes off.

Also not appearing this week: Brienne & Pod, Bran & Hodor, Stannis & Melisandre.

I think this is more for the sake of the viewer. We haven’t seen him fight previous to this other than in the brothel in the first episode and that didn’t really display too many skills. Jaime comments on this in the conversation in the cell before the fight. I think we see him doing his twirls so that the audience can believe that he knows what he’s doing, that he can fight, and that he has a chance.

WTF!

I have most liked 5 characters most in this series and now they are all dead… i cannot win :mad:

Eddard Stark
Rob Stark
Kal Drogo
Jaqn H’Gar
The Red Viper

My luck is so bad I feel I should “love up” Tarley in hopes he is next on the chopping block! :wink:

In reality my hope now is that newly legitimized Ramsey Bolton was hint that Jon Snow can one day avenge his family!

Jaqen H’ghar isn’t dead. He changed his face and we may or may not see him again, but I’m sure we’ll see more of the Faceless Men.

There’s no indiciation Jaqen (as we know him) died. We last saw him giving a coin to Arya along with instructions how to use it before walking off.

True but he instructed Arya to repeat the words “Jaqn H’Gar is dead” and then “became” someone else, so he will most assuredly be a different character and actor… boo! I liked his style.

He told her to repeat the words “Valar morghulis” and told her Jaqen is dead. But yes, if we see him again he’ll be someone else, as another actor took over the role at the end.

What the Mountain did is what most of the men fighting for Robert would have done. Either kill them or hand them in so someone else could kill them. It’s what happens when one royal family replaces another. Maybe Ned would have let her escape but he would have been betraying Robert.

She didn’t have to be killed as her claim to the throne was by injection only. Her kids, on the other hand, were shit out of luck.