Game of Thrones 5.01 "The Wars to Come" 4/12/15 [Show discussion]

Sorry, I guess the wildling controlled an eagle not a hawk. :slight_smile:

No, that was something he promised Margaery he’d do when she was pretending be hurt and confused her first husband not liking women; there’s no evidence he actually did so. I for one greatly enjoyed the scene with Loras and Olyvar; the latter’s caressing birthmarks on his lover’s body was particularly erotic. It’s about time Finn Jones finally showed some skin. It’s almost a shame Olyvar is just seducing him at Littlefinger’s bidding.

Knowing Lysa she probably assigned servants to carry him around the castle. She sure as hell didn’t allow him to even tough a sword let alone train for combat.

Bingo; dragons have been extinct for a at least a century, and even before that they kept getting smaller and more deformed with each generation. The last one only grew to be the size of a dog.

It seems to me that Daenerys does have some instinctual or intuitive connection to the dragons.

As the finale of season 1 showed, Daenerys seems to have expected that she would survive the funeral pyre unscathed, and that the intense heat would cause the dormant dragon eggs to hatch. We saw her in earlier episodes experimenting with the eggs and a fire, and not suffering burns from handling the hot eggs.

Did she intuit it? Certainly looks that way, as it was stated a couple of times by various characters that the secrets of dragon husbandry were lost. Even if the Targaryen dragon training manual still existed somewhere, it’d be in King’s Landing; Dany wouldn’t have it because she and her brother were child refugees who fled with whatever their retainers could carry.

So, Dany knows more than anyone alive, probably, how to wrangle dragons, because the “part-dragon” Targaryen thing is strong in her. She’s a throwback to her dragon riding ancestors. So, I expect that she will, in time, start to figure out how to make her dragons do her bidding. At which point, her enemies are toast. Literally.

RE: the dragon thing, I just hope this isn’t leading up to one multiple season case of blue balls. Yeah, yeah, characters, themes, arcs, whatever, if you’re gonna tease dragon power this long there better be a payoff. I expect to see hundreds of dudes getting roasted in a hopeless charge, or a town wrecked, or hell if warging can work on dragons then bring on a dragon on dragon fight. But I kinda doubt the show has the budget for something like that, at least not without a lot of cutaway shots, so I try not to get too excited. Then again, the Blackwater Bay battle was pretty sexy, so I’m cautiously optimistic. I just hope it doesn’t end with something lame like “lol we poisoned your dragons before the big battle you dun got fooled.”

You have posed a interesting question, my friend.

There was a scene in the first Jurassic Park movie, in which the characters were wondering why the velociraptors were behaving in an unexpected way. As I remember, the character played by Sam Neill explained that the young velociraptors grew up without the benefit of parents or older of their species (since they’d been cloned and were a long-extinct species), so they didn’t know how to behave. Similarly, Daenerys’ dragons are growing up without anyone to guide or teach them. The dragons of centuries ago probably had older dragons from whom to learn behavior.

I’m gonna go with the Targaryens who controlled dragons being wargs, it makes too much sense and animal control is something they’ve already firmly established in the show.

I had forgotten that she had experimented previously with the eggs and fire. So the funeral pyre scene took me by surprise and I wondered how she could have possibly known to do what she did.

Do we know if wargs can enter and control any animal? Or is Jon Snow, assuming he’s a warg, limited to wolves or perhaps his own wolf. Bran could clearly enter the minds of his wolf and Hodor, but he’s unusual in many ways, as of course is Hodor. Hodor.

Hodor?

Hodor!