Not really - it doesn’t matter if Jon’s been shown to do it or not. We know it’s possible from Bran.
I think they hitched a ride on the sail of the same U-boat as Indiana Jones. And Indy was like, “Oh, you have a whip, too? Cool, you can stay up here with me.”
I think they do care. The death of both “dogs” killed wasn’t shown directly (contrarily to that of hundred of humans) and in both cases, it was an "innocent"and helpless (at the moment) creature killed by the fault of a really bad guy (Joffrey and Frey). Still many people were very upset about their demise (again, despite all the innocent people who die in horrible ways in the show), as, in my experience, it happens every time a dog is killed in a show/movie.
Showing the good Brienne dispatching dogs in some bloody way wasn’t going to happen, IMHO.
And anyway knowing exactly what happened to the dogs isn’t critical to the scene.
It’s also probably harder to do good action scenes that result in (simulated) dead dogs than with stunt men.
Little-known fact: Old Melisandre was actually played by Andy Serkis in a motion-capture suit. (Okay, it’s not a fact, but I’m wondering if it could take flight on Facebook or Twitter or something.)
We’ve been shown that it’s possible for Bran. It’s also been implied that it’s an extraordinarily rare ability.
Do you guys need everything spelled out for you???
Obvioussssslyyyyy…the dogs were stuffed with Kennel Master Daughter. They were too full to fight.
Except that’s not how it’s portrayed. We see Myrcella dying in Jaime’s arms, and then cut to the Sand Snakes still standing on the dock after saying their goodbye’s to Jaime and Myrcella, watching the boat sailing away. Ellaria’s nose starts to bleed. One of the Snakes tosses her a handkerchief and she takes it and wipes the blood from her nose, and then wipes the remaining poison from her lips. (That’s how she poisoned Myrcella–with a kiss.)
Yes. And as I recall one of her snakes hands her a tiny bottle of the antidote that she immediately downs.
My first thought was this whole plot would set him up to be Lord Commander.
I watched that episode this weekend and you are correct. It was established the poison acts slowly so she coated her own lips, poisoned the princess and then took the antidote herself.
Has anybody seen Seth Meyer’s lesson on why Melisandre is not a good invite for a baby shower?
I had no idea where the sand snake snuff scene was taking place, so the improbable logistics just went whoooosh over my head.
I’m glad to see the Dothraki back, and enjoyed the eye-rolling “…fine…top 5 things…” scene, even if the comedic relief was a bit jarring. However, I can’t work up too much concern for Danny’s fate: she’s got a flying deus-ex-machina ride home any time she wants. (I’m assuming she can psychically whistle for Drogon)
Resurrection is like Chekhov’s Gun: if you bring a minor character back from the dead in Act 1, you damn well better bring back a major character in Act 3.
I agree this would be terrible writing. There hasn’t been the slightest indication that Jon can warg previously.
As jsc1953 notes, the principle of Chekhov’s Gun points unequivocally to Melisandre.
-The resurrection(s) of Beric Dondarion, a relatively minor character, have little relevance to the plot except to establish that Red Priests/Priestesses can raise the dead.
-On her previous visit, Melisandre showed a strong interest in Jon Snow.
-Melisandre shows up again immediately before Jon’s death. She doesn’t have to; her plot line could have been concluded by Stannis killing her when he realized he had killed Shireen for nothing, or by Davos when he found out.
The resurrection has to happen pretty soon, in any case. It can’t take to the end of the season. Two deadlines are in effect: Ser Alliser’s and the fact that Jon will come back as a wight if he stays dead.
With Melisandre, you don’t have to pull a deux ex machina out of a hat, as you would with Jon warging. It’s already been established that she has the power to bring Jon back.
People use the fact that surprising and unexpected twists have taken place in the plot to mean absolutely anything can happen. But that’s only true with writing that doesn’t “play fair” with the audience. So far, I haven’t seen any plot development that completely went against the major dramatic rules of storytelling.
Since the Lord Commander is elected, it seems unlikely that they would elect someone they barely know.
Agreed, but it’s not really a deus ex machina if it’s been established in the plot well before it was needed, is it?
Also agreed, but depending on how things shake out with Team Jon vs. Team Alliser, the Night’s Watch could end up getting whittled down to Team Jon and Davos.
That was exactly my point about Melisandre and the abilities of Red Priests. She’s already been established as having the powers that are needed to bring Jon back, so she’s not a deus ex machina. Pretty much any other way to bring him back would constitute a deus ex machina, since it hasn’t previously been hinted at.
In any case, bringing Jon back as a Dire Wolf would limit his future ability to form alliances by marriage even more severely than his Night’s Watch oath.
Does Davos know that Shireen and Stannis and most of his army are all dead?
Yes – at the end of last season, he asked Melisandre.
Weeeeeeeeeeeell there’s also the theory I posited back in post 33:
Maybe Melisandre can’t resurrect Jon. What we’ve seen indicates that Thoros can resurrect people, and we’re assuming that it’s the Red God doing it through the prayers of his clergy.
What if Thoros is the only resurrector in Westeros, and he just credits the Red God for the magic?