Game of Thrones 6.03 "Oathbreaker" 5/8/2016 [Show discussion]

Maybe she changed her mind about what she was comfortable with for her body. That’s a reasonable thing that people can do, and if it hurts the show, it’s by such an insignificant factor that is not worth complaining about.

I’d rather that a show be a tiny smidgen worse than have someone do something with their body that they’re very uncomfortable with.

Maybe she watched “Sweet Liberty” over hiatus? :smiley:

…again…

Women, amirite?

You are not entitled or owed to see her body. Get over it.

Aha, so you’re one of those, who strain to see misogyny and oppression no matter what.

If The Hound decided he would no longer do fight scenes (it’s his body after all, he can do what he wants with it, right?) after season 2, would anyone have a right to complain at awkwardly-staged scenes with obvious body doubles and tricky camera angles that drew your attention away from the story and onto that limitation?

That would be fine if winter wasn’t coming and the White Walkers weren’t coming with it. Otherwise the show could just go on forever introducing new characters, locations and story lines like a soap opera.

But the way it stands now, it’s becoming increasingly hopeless that this story won’t end either with the White Walkers breaching the wall and killing everyone in Westeros or with them only killing half the people in Westeros before some deus ex machina from Bran and the Three Eyed Ravens.

Has absolutely nothing to do with entitlement nor gender, and you completely failed to address the argument I made which is that she’s essentially just a shitty employee for securing a job based on some fundamental conditions which she later reneged on once she knew she had job security.

When she was first auditioning, and they told her the part required nudity, had she said then “oh, I’m not comfortable with that” they would have had no problem saying “OK, there’s the door” and called in the next of the millions of aspiring actresses in line who would literally kill for that part. Of course she didn’t say that, she said “yep, that’s totally fine with me!” and proceeded to do it for a while. Then she turns around after a couple years and says, “haha suckers, you can’t fire me now!” and starts dictating terms of her employment to the detriment of everyone else and the artistic work as a whole (as mentioned upthread, it was really distracting in a scene that clearly called for it). Is it within her right to do that? Sure. It’s just kind of a dick move.

But yeah, keep beating that strawman. It’s clearly very important to you.

There’s two different paths here- One person is saying “come on, she used to show her tits, therefore I should get to always see her tits.” The other is “I find it awkward that they shoot around her nudity” Sorry you find it so awkward and show breaking for you? It’s a common film convention for decades. It’s your issue to deal with, not a fault of the show’s.

If the Hound decided that he no longer wanted to do fight scenes and the show shot around it–no one would give two shits. They’d shrug and move on. And considering shows with fight scenes nearly always use body doubles for those scenes- what’s the argument here?

So is this going to be this season’s potato dragon? I’m with Ms. Clarke. If she doesn’t want to be nude on the show anymore, then that’s her call. The “fight scene” comparison is a straw man. Nude scenes are in a class all their own, because the actual actor is showing their actual naked body to the public. The only other acting issues of similar weight that I can think of are dangerous stunts and unsimulated sex.

Yeah, it had a mild effect on the scene, but IMO it didn’t destroy it or distract from the actual story. She did actually get naked, they just didn’t show her naughty bits. For a moment, I thought she had changed her mind about the nudity thing since there’s some side boob for a second. YMMV, of course, but I don’t think her “no nudity” clause is having a major effect on the show.

That’s how negotiations work, that’s showbusiness. If they wanted to guarantee that she’d keep getting nude for the run of the show, they could have given her a longer contract. As shows become more popular, actors negotiate perks and salary increases all the time. I don’t think it’s a dick move to negotiate a new contract. It would have been a dick move if she’d waited until filming began and then refused to do any nudity, knowing that they would have to agree or replace her at the last second. Negotiating a new contract between seasons gives the show runners ample time to work around it.

Why would Dorne and the Tyrells go to war? :confused: I don’t think the Tyrells and the Martells (who are gone) or with Ellaria (who apparently is now the de facto Princess of Dorne).

Am I the only one who thinks Little “chaos is a ladder” Finger somehow ends up on the throne? And then show everyone the big finger? He is the man that’s pulled all the puppet strings in Westeros to create this mess. And any time things seem to be cooling down, he finds new strings to pull. I think all that work has to pay off.

Right. The Tyrells owe their position in the government to Tommen’s marriage to Margaery. If Tommen dies, they have no further reason to support the Lannisters (except to get the money they lent the crown back). They might well even support Dorne against the Lannisters.

Bwahahahaha! The producers LOVE to go too far, that’s part of what makes this show great!

WTF? Are you kidding? Of course they would! It’d be absolutely ridiculous.

Ellaria Sand is a bastard daughter and ex-paramour (not a legal wife) of the late Prince Oberyn Martell. After assassinating Prince Doran and effecting a coup, she may be de facto in charge for the time being, but she’s no Princess.

The whole Dorne subplot makes absolutely no sense anyway. Even if Ellaria has convinced the palace guards to consent to her coup, why would the population support her? Or the other noble houses of Dorne?

Why did the palace guards just watch their ruler get murdered, when the same guards had no hesitation in arresting the Sand Snakes in the previous season?

Speaking of the Sand Snakes, how did two of them magically teleport to the ship to kill Trystane in King’s Landing’s harbor when they were last seen on the dock in Dorne watching the ship depart?

The show has backed off on the nudity and sex big time. I thought the nudity and sex combined with the over-the-top violence added to the depth of the story: it told you that Westoros is a very different world and culture. Without them, it edges closer to being just your average medieval fantasy. It’s not there yet, largely because of the great plotting, intricate scheming and great world-building, but it’s disappointing to see the show runners edging back from the edginess.

Stunt doubles are very commonly used in fight scenes. Why is it ridiculous?

Yes, I think that the Dorne subplot was a disaster and a precursor to some of the plot holes we’re now seeing this season. While I didn’t read any of the books, it can’t be a coincidence that the show went off the rails a bit once it surpassed them. The first four seasons were beautiful and the story was about as internally consistent as anyone could expect from a show. Every line by a character had a meaning and there were almost no wasted or throwaway lines. They were able to foreshadow things that would occur seasons later. If fans of the show haven’t gone back to rewatch the first few seasons, I highly recommend it. You will find some minor flaws but they were incredibly done and I really appreciated them more on second viewing. Again, I never read the books so YMMV.

I haven’t perused the rules super-closely via these show vs book arguments so sorry if I’m breaking a rule BUT:

My own personal canon is that if a very important book point hasn’t been contradicted by the show, then it is in effect until it is contradicted. Dorne and The Tyrells are historically enemies.

I agree wholeheartedly and have been watching season one and thoroughly enjoying it.

Something just occurred to me, if it is true that the Umbers and Rickon are planning some sort of betrayal of Ramsey, what happens if it works? Will they declare Rickon King in the north? And then try to make peace with Tommen?

I think that is indeed his plan, although It seems farfetched. Perhaps if he can conspire to kill another King, then claim to be Lord of Harrenhal and Lord Protector of the Vale, and get the support of the north through Sansa, he could argue he is the most powerful Lord in Westeros, and thus deserving of the throne. If Tommen dies, whoever can rally the biggest army will be the King.