The Umbers should have one priority right now – dealing with the Wildling horde that just appeared. It makes total sense for them to make a deal with Boltons no matter what they think of them.
I hope that giving Rickon to Ramsey isn’t a trick because it would be the stupidest thing that any character has done on the show including Ned tipping off Cersie. How could Osha protect him? It makes no sense.
No torture will take place because the producers know that it would be too much. The excuse will be that Ramsey has too much to do now that he has to run house Bolton and prepare for battle.
Yes but surely some of the Dothraki would have heard stories about her dragons and the army of unsullied? The capturing of the cities in slavers bay would become continent wide news through trade networks. And Dragons haven’t been seen for hundreds of years, there are thousands of witnesses to Dani having three of them.
Seems unbelievable to me that Khal Moro would treat her the same as any other widow, yes thats their tradition, but none of your other widows had three dragons and an army of unsullied who are going to come looking for her.
Yes but he seems to accept that she is the widow of Khal Drogo, her identity is not in question. The widow of Khal Drogo has three dragons and an army of unsullied, it is known.
No, he just says he died, and if his father hadn’t died he would have killed him himself. Robb was killed quite a while ago, and Ramsay would have heard of Greatjon’s death if he had died then. It’s probably a ploy to show he has something in common with Ramsay.
Well, there’s the Sand Snakes not killing Myrcella when they had the chance.
If Ramsay tries the same thing with Osha he tried with Sansa, she’ll bite his dick off and he’ll bleed to death.
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I can’t hear her name without thinking about safety manuals.
All true. Even the proudest Westerosi lords are loyal only up to a point.
As I mentioned in last week’s thread, it seems that MVS isn’t as encumbered by the roots as his predecessor in the role. He just seems to be standing behind a wall; not as cool/creepy as if he had the tree actually growing in and through him.
Ooo, that’s a good idea. Although there’s no love lost between the Freys and the Starks, and such an attack would probably ultimately be to the Starks’ advantage.
Well, Ned could always say some unnamed knight in his party did it. Or (wrongly) give credit to Howland for honorably killing the Kingsguard badass face to face.
I don’t think Davos even knows for sure that Shireen is dead. From all we’ve seen the Red Priestess hasn’t said a word about what became of Stannis’s wife and daughter. As a princess, Shireen might have been taken hostage by the Boltons, for all Davos knows.
One thing I haven’t seen anyone mention yet is the state of Melisandre’s crisis of faith. She asked Jon what he saw after he died and he said “nothing.” I wonder if that made things worse for her, resurrection notwithstanding. Jon’s experience lends credence to the idea that the miracles of the Lord of Light are attributable to something else, perhaps just the latent magic in the world. How will Melisandre react if she decides that the miracles she did in the name of her god were just natural, not divine?
I could see her being disgusted with the things she’s done, perhaps even coming clean to Davos about Shireen and letting him do what he will.
When Davos asked her about Shireen, Melisandre gave him a look straight in the eyes that clearly indicated she was dead. Given the relationship between them, if Davos had the least suspicion Shireen was alive he would be on his way to rescue her. There will be hell to pay when he finds out how she died.
No one has given an indication of the slightest interest in the fate of Selyse.
When the Lannisters moved against Ned Stark they had the support of the City Watch who also looked the other way as the Faith Militant moved against Petyr Baelish, they clearly pay a part in the city’s politics, it appears they are in the Sparrows corner.
IIRC, the gold cloaks aren’t particularly efficient or reliable. And the sparrows not only seem numerous but also enjoy a wide popular support. I guess trying to force the issue would result in the city revolting. And indeed it wouldn’t bode well for the prisonners/hostages.
Tommen seems like a potential very good king. Too bad he’s going to die.
Davos behaviour seems completely inconsistent to me. The army he helped raise, the lord he was 110% devoted to and the little girl he loved are all missing, he doesn’t seem to care the slighest bit, and isn’t even shown asking about their fate. But suddenly, he cares so much for someone (Jon) that he hardly knows at all that he’s willing to put his live on the line to protect his corpse, and insist on the woman he dislikes using a magic he’s warry of to try to resurrect said guy despite having exactly zero reason to assume that such a thing is possible. I find the whole thing unbelievable.
I don’t remember him asking anything. Just looking at Melisandre who looked back at him with a telling glance. You would expect him to ask precisely what happened during the expedition and what was the fate of all involved. And possibly killing Melisandre on top of it for having led his lord and family to death.
I agree (with both statements, actually). Tommen is a kind and good-natured boy who is completely out of his depth. With his grandfather’s guidance and with his grandfather leading the kingdom until Tommen reached maturity, he had a chance to be a decent king. As it is, better get that golden shroud ready.
Look at the difference between Joffrey and Tommen saying ‘I am the king!’ For Joffrey, it meant that he had absolute power to be as creatively cruel as he wanted. For Tommen, it was more him trying to flex his untrained muscles to do something good for the people he cares about: to get permission for his mother to come to his sister’s funeral and tomb, and for his wife’s freedom.
I’m reminded of Tywin saying that any man who must say ‘I am the king’ is no king at all. A more capable leader would let his actions speak, but Tommen is just a nice kid.
I think Davos does care very much, but now that Stannis (no longer the Mannis) is dead, he’s turned his efforts into working towards the aims Stannis was fighting for. He was the one who brought the message from Castle Black warning of the White Walkers to Stannis’ attention in the first place, and he knows that they are fighting for the existence of humanity in Westeros at least. Jon Snow was the only one with the authority and knowledge to further that fight.
I think that when he discovered Jon’s body and the Jon loyalists were gathered into the one set of rooms, he and they were not so much protecting Jon’s corpse (although that may well have played a role) as they realized that there had been a mutiny and since they had identified themselves as being loyal to Jon, there was a strong chance they would be murdered as soon as they unbarred the door.
He may not have known that red priests had the potential power to bring back the dead, but he’s seen Melisandre survive poison, produce a shadow assassin, and cast a blood magic curse on three people that seemed to have worked at least twice so far (and hey, now three times, not that he can have heard the news from Pike yet). Asking her if she could do anything to revive Jon is not as unfounded as if he had asked Dolorous Edd the same thing.
So I don’t believe it’s gonna happen, but wouldn’t it be an awesome troll to just have Jon Snow now walk out of the story altogether? Like, he’s been to hell and back (uhm, figuratively?), and now he’s just, screw this, all I ever got for my trouble is killed, I’m out. Plus, it would be a real punch in the face of those (like myself) arguing for Jon’s narrative necessity.
But I do rate it a possibility that he’ll disappear for at least a couple of EP’s; but of course, his parentage must be important in the end (those were the cries of a woman in labor we heard when Ned was going to get his sister, right?).
I can see all this, but the commoners wouldn’t seem to have much to revolt with, what with the near-starvation and utter squalor that is King’s Landing outside of the keep. Cersei mismanaged virtually everything, but I would expect Kevan to be a bit more efficient, especially now that all the Lannisters are out of harm’s way as far as hostages go.
The sudden helplessness of both the Lannisters and the Tyrells just seems a bit off to me.
Incidentally, I find the Danerys non-nuidity to be pretty conspicuous. Not as bad as the last couple of years when we had soap opera style sheet placement in bed with Daario, but it still strips the scene of its power to use evasive camera angles. The point of having her stripped naked at that point was to show that she’s naked and powerless, and in a series where they never shy away from gore or nudity or anything really, it just stands out. Standing out is bad, it distracts you from what you’re watching.
I get that she doesn’t want fanservice or excessive stuff, but it would’ve been congruent, almost necesary for the scene.
