Game of Thrones 6.06 "Blood of My Blood" 5/29/16 [Show discussion]

I got the impression that Sam’s dad was genuine in his offer to take in Gilly and her kid. It’s an honor culture where stuff like promises and guest right have deeper meaning than we have in our culture. And it’s common for rich Lords to have wards under their protection. Servants will tend to their needs, it’s not like he’s going to be changing diapers himself or Gilly will be sleeping on his couch. To a guy like that, his word is probably sacred to him. He probably would’ve allowed her to live a decent life. And Sam’s kinder mother and sister would protect her too.

Sam already knows that his father was wiling to lie to his mother about Sam’s “accident” if he didn’t join the Night’s Watch. If I were in Sam’s shoes, I would not be trusting Randyll’s word that Gilly and Little Sam would be safe at the house.

Talking of Sam’s mother - MILF. How old ihis sister?

King’s Landing was founded by Aegon the first.

I agree. That is not a random shot of the Mad King using wildfire, that is the wildfire storage facility that currently exists under kings landing blowing the fuck up. One dumb thing i noticed is that Jamie has his current short hair cut instead of the longer hair he had the beginning of the series, which is extremely dumb since they don’t even show his face so they could have used someone else.

The lovely Samantha Spiro. Looks much better now she’s lost the moustache. :smiley:

OB

I’d guess almost anyone would be the champion instead of Tommen. Tommen is in with the Sparrows now, but he’s not so far gone that he thinks that he could win against the Mountain. And neither the High Sparrow or Margaery have any reason to convince him to be the champion. And he’s been religious for barely any time now, but he’s been a mama’s boy for his whole life, he’s not going to fight against his mother.

I’m guessing that Tommen will die, but I would guess it would be by poison like his two siblings. Likely at some point of triumph, like the High Sparrow is killed and most of the Sparrows are killed or defeated, and the crown looks stronger and Cersei and Margaery convince him that it’s best that the Sparrows are gone. Then he has a drink at dinner and dies.

Right, honor is very big, but we’ve seen multiple instances of people going back on their word, and multiple instances of kin-slaying on the show. The Starks are the most honorable ones and they kept getting killed or betrayed by those who go back on their honor. It’s possible that Randyll would have kept his word, especially with his wife defending Gilly and little Sam, but it’s not crazy for Sam to want to get them out of there.

He’ reputable too, along with the gullable and manipulable.

So he’s gullipulaputable.

:dubious:

Agreed that it’s also been somewhat poorly thought out.

Thinking back on how that original meeting went, I suppose it could be argued now that Arya didn’t fail to kill the actress; she placed the poison, the deed was (being) done, and then she saved her life. Much like she saved Jaquen’s life. So now does that mean that Arya gets to freely pick one person to murder to restore the balance?

Apart from Arya, we see no other person. No trainee’s, no servants. Maybe its personal, because it was always going to come down to Arya vs the other chick. A girl may be surplus to requirements.

Declan

Sam has that luck factor going for him, no matter what. I’m not expecting him to be the reincarnation of Aurthur Dayne, but I do expect that he is better than when he left home to begin his journey.

Declan

This is one thing we can be sure won’t happen. Aside from the absurdity of a slight adolescent with little experience in fighting challenging the Mountain, despite his conversion Tommen still loves his mother and doesn’t want to see her convicted. Besides that, tt would be particularly ridiculous move on Tommen’s part because if he wins he will prove his mother guilty of adultery and incest and thus that he himself is illegitimate and not legally the king.

It’s Game of Thrones. Arya would appear to have the upper hand until the FrankenMountain cut her in half. We haven’t had a dead Stark in a while, it’s about time to get things rolling.

Your explanation doesn’t make any sense plotwise. There would be no reason to show some random accident in the past that had no significant effect. All of the events we see in the past were extremely important. We see some events that definitely seem to be in the future, such as a dragon flying over a ruined King’s Landing. (As has been pointed out, dragons were not used against King’s Landing before since it was founded by the Targaryens.) We know that Jaime thwarted the Mad King’s plan to use wildfire before. There is every reason to think these images represent a future event.

Bran has demonstrated an ability to see future events. He had a vision of Winterfell (and Rodrik Cassel) being drowned by the sea, which prophesied it being taken by Theon and the Ironborn.

That scene was ~17 years before season 1, why assume he’d have kept the same hair style that entire time?

On the contrary, Sam was clearly getting angrier and angrier as the dinner progressed, he is holding it in because for Gilly’s sake, since he knows that lashing out at Randyll Tarly is not going to help Gilly and little Sam.

Its quite clear than whatever fear he has of Daddy is long gone. No matter how much James Faulkner scowls, he is not as scary as a Wigt, a White Walker, a Thenn, Giants, a wildling Army.

If anything his lets get the fuck out, all of us, is more jerkish since he now has no way of looking after her and little Sam.

I agree. I was waiting for the moment when Sam was going to stand up and tear his father a new one, and show just how much he’d grown as a man. Instead, he just sat there and let his wife defend him. After all he’s been through and the courage he has repeatedly shown, there’s no way Sam should have just wilted like that. I think that was a poor read on the character by the writers. I imagine they were thinking that the overbearing father was just too much for Sam to handle, but I don’t buy it.

Yeah, I don’t get that either. He can’t go to the Citadel any more, so what’s he going to do? Take his wife and an infant into the middle of the fight at the Wall?

My guess is that she’ll land at a re-taken Winterfell while Sam goes to the Wall, and one day Sam may become the Maester at Winterfell after the Boltons have flayed their last men. But that’s unknowable to us and to Sam, so really he’s just taking a wife and a baby out of the safest sanctuary available and taking them on the road to a dangerous place, with the trip itself being quite dangerous assuming he doesn’t have the resources he had when he was traveling as the noble son of a powerful house.

Agreed again. Valyrian swords are probably the most valuable artifacts in the Seven Kingdoms. A famous named sword like Heartsbane even more so. Randyll would have let Sam leave in peace with Gilly and baby, and would have been relieved to be rid of him. He might even have given him a nice big purse of gold coins to buy him off, allowing Sam to get his family somewhere peacefully and safely. But now, Sam and his family are in possession of stolen goods valuable enough for them to be hunted mercilessly for the rest of their days.

It was a crazy decision to make, unless Sam has actually chosen to take it back to the wall, and also that he believes that a Valyrian sword is important enough to the battle that the risk is necessary. But that’s not how the show portrayed his motivation. It was more of a, “Screw you, father! I’m taking the damned sword that should have been mine one day!” A sword he can’t even effectively wield. Crazy.

Tommen being the champion would be hilarious but not make any sense.

Loras could make sense but he’d be in no shape to fight…but if the church believes truly this is divine combat, would that even be a consideration?
Lancel, again, if they think it’s divine combat should ability even matter?
Miracle run in by the Hound?

A pet peeve of mine is characters not addressing the big threat when it is organic to the plot. Sam’s brother says “there’s no such thing” regarding the White Walkers. Sam should have immediately said “Yes. They are real. They are coming. That’s why the Lord Commander sent me to the Citadel in order to prepare. Someday soon the snows will fall in the south and no castle or holdfast, including Horn Hill, will be able to stand against them or their army of the dead… no let me have a fucking dinner roll.”

A corrupt religion? What a surprise. Religions have always managed to maintain a ‘faith’ while engaging in corrupt practices. Is this really that much different than selling indulgences, or deciding that God has demanded that priests never marry, so that their assets would revert to the Church? Or to have a faith that preaches the virtue of abandoning material things and living a simple life while amassing one of the largest collections of valuable treasures in the world?

If you believe in a death god, it doesn’t seem so far-fetched to engage in a little side-killing-for-profit, if the money is used to maintain the church. Justice is nice, but without money the church can’t do it’s good works, so…