I wouldn’t consider Hodor or Jojen Reed or Osha to be “major” characters (of the standing of Danaerys, Jon, Sansa, Tyrion, Jaime, etc.). Minor characters are expendable at almost any time. Margaery and Loras were major sympathetic characters but I don’t think their deaths were really unexpected. We knew they were potential targets for Cersei, although the manner of their deaths were shocking.
I agree. Littlefinger just stirs the shit and takes advantage of any openings that arise. He’s just trying to upset the status quo.
Actually, I kinda would like that—the dragons just disperse to roost on some mountain top or whatever. Turns out Jon et al have to make do against the Night King’s forces without flying napalm tanks; that’s just the kind of stuff that happens sometimes.
Littlefinger is kind of like a Brownian ratchet—he’s able to take advantage of random forces to keep moving himself, more or less, in one direction; all he has to do is heat things up now and then.
Jon Snow was killed at the end of season five.
He got better.
Although I agree with your overall point, didn’t he give his Valyrian steel sword to Brienne? He didn’t think he could do it justice with one hand.
Dang it! I was just having lunch (with a soon to be ex-friend) and we were discussing the show. After much back and forth over what is going to happen next he let on that he has seen the spoiler information that was stolen. Now I don’t even want to watch this week’s episode - I just hope he only spoiled this week and no more episodes.
They made two swords from Ice. One was Oathkeeper, which Brienne has, and the other was Widow’s Wail, named by Joffrey, which Jaime now has.
Olenna, in her death scene, even mentioned that Jaime was carrying that sword and asked to be reminded what Joffery called it. I doubt it’d have been specifically mentioned if it wasn’t going to become important at some later point.
I am really quite confused here as to your information on the subject. Could you go back and look at the cast lists and synopsis of those episodes.
-
Joffrey was in Winterfell when Brann had his accident. He refused to go and pay respects to the boy. They then left. So he had the opportunity.
-
Littlefinger was not featured in the first episode. He was not in Winterfell, and did not visit in that time. He was still in Kings Landing. So finding out such an event, and then setting up an assassin seems incredibly unlikely. Had neither weapon, nor ability to steal it (I assume that you can’t just bribe the guards to steal things from the kings personal weapon stash), nor the ability to do that remotely.
Here is an excerpt from the episode synopsis:
“In Winterfell, Bran Stark lies unconscious and badly wounded, his mother by his side. Tyrion Lannister insists that his nephew Joffrey pay his respects to Lord and Lady Stark, since his absence has been noted. When Joffrey refuses, saying the boy means nothing to him, Tyrion slaps him three times until he accepts his uncle’s suggestion. Tyrion then breakfasts with his other family members, informing them of his decision to journey north to see the Wall before returning to King’s Landing. He also tells them that Bran is expected to live and notes Cersei and Jaime’s guarded reactions.”
I still can’t believe there is confusion over this. Littlefinger wasn’t there. Joffrey was.
That’s part of my point. At the time I argued that Jon had so much plot armor that he couldn’t be permanently dead. Others said that because it was Martin, “anything can happen.” But even if Martin throws a curveball once in a while to keep you on your toes, he doesn’t kill off characters just for the hell of it.
Having been killed once and resurrected, you can be sure that Jon isn’t going to be killed again in the near future. That would just be dramatically stupid. He may very well be killed again, but it will necessarily be near the end of the series.
“He really was a cunt.”
Stop bringing information from the book or provide the episode where it was revealed to be part of the king’s stash.
…which Olenna could easily have said without mentioning the sword at all, which is what makes me think the writers are deliberately reminding us of it.
Also, Joffrey wasn’t present when Tyrion revealed that Bran was going to live and Robert never comments on Bran’s situation.
Yeah, but she would have probably left out the word “really”.
I had the exact same reaction, who knew Sandor was the wisest man in Westeros?
At least with the best vocabulary.
Wait. Are you saying nothing happens off camera? Nobody speaks to anyone else? In which case clearly the assassin just found the dagger in the stable and decided he was bored and would kill a son of a lord.
Meanwhile in the real tv programme, Tyrion told Cersei and Jamie at breakfast than Brann was going to live, a bit to see their reactions when they find out the information. Myrcella asks: “Is Bran going to die?” as this point. Perhaps one of those told Joffrey, who has previously showed total lack of respect for Branns state or any of the Starks.
As has been pointed out, there doesn’t seem to be any mention in the show that the weapon was originally in the king’s stash. All that is known is what Littlefinger has said. Namely that it was in his (Littlefinger’s) possession and that Tyrion acquired it from him (supposedly in a bet). Tyrion does not deny that it is his, only that it would be imbecilic to arm an assassin with ones own weapon.
My main point here though is that why should there be any assumption that the assassination attempt has anything to do with what Bran saw or the fact he has been crippled? If it was indeed Littlefinger who planned it, with the intent of laying the blame on Tyrion to ignite hostilities between the Starks and the Lannisters, it could (and probably would) have been planned long before Bran’s ‘accident’, which is entirely incidental to the assassination attempt.
OB
Ah, thanks for the reminder. I knew that there were two swords and that he had given Oathkeeper to Brienne but I had forgotten that Widow’s Wail came to him after the death of Joffrey, who really was a cunt.