Heh. I was thinking when Jon went down, “oh, he’s fine, in this world getting dragged into water is a good thing.”
Yeah, it seemed like a dozen of the party died, and there were less than a dozen to begin with. Yet when they are running for their lives, they manage to hang on to the wight. And the show that used to be famous for not being predictable had me impatiently waiting for the dragons to save them in the nick of time.
On the bright side, we have learned a new rule of the GOT world — major characters are immune from drowning. If Jaime’s rescue last episode was implausible, what do we say about Jon’s?
All that said, for some reason, the thing that bothered me most was sending Gendry back to get help. Except for a few weeks riding in a wagon, he’s spent his whole life in a blacksmith’s shop, probably never going more than a couple blocks away from it. No wilderness or navigational skills at all. Then he follows his leader out into a maze of twisty little passages, having no idea where they are going, even if a raging blizzard didn’t obscure everything more than 10 feet away for part of the time, and having no idea he might have to find his way back on his own. But Jon says “run back to Eastwatch,” and he just takes off like a homing pigeon.
Not a good sign when they have wights, dragons, white walkers, and the night king, and all I remember liking about the episode is Dany’s soulful eyes. Funny how so many of the kids didn’t age well at all, but she’s more beautiful every year.
This was the worst episode so far. And the best. Predictable but in turbo-nitro mode.
I accepted it’s just not the same series as it used to be back in early seasons.
Still, some excellent pieces of dialogue. Things Tyrion said might be relevant for the grand finale.
Wondering what was Dolorous Edd thinking while sending the bird.
I don’t think Arya is being creepy for the sake of it. She’s trying to persude/direct/scare Sansa for a reason. She’s playing a deeper game. I hope.
I think Arya is playing a game with Littlefinger - she’s probably one step ahead of him rather than behind. Letting him think his little scheme is working may draw him out and make a move too early.
Benji’s appearance made sense to me. He would be observing the army of the dead in case he could still do something useful.
Jon surviving the cold, including the lake… well, once people can be brought back from death all normal human logic is not applicable anymore. Resistance against hypothermia could be a side effect of his revival.
Edd is back at Castle Black
And when Arya was incredibly stupid when trying to escape the waif, we were all sure that the show’s writing wasn’t suddenly really awful, that there was some sort of trick being planned, and it turned out that nope, it was just really dumb.
It does make you wonder if the books and the show are going to be drastically different going forward, assuming George RR Martin ever finishes. If the last two books are going to be roughly the same as the show, why take 10 years to do them? Hire Alan Dean Foster to just knock out a couple of novelizations of the TV series when it’s over and be done with it.
The problem isn’t that Jon’s an idiot but that the writers are clearly trying to paint him as this larger than life character, destined for greater things, and failing miserably. The whole time he had his ‘Big Hero Moment’ seemingly challenging the Night King to ‘come at me bro’ I just thought “get on the dragon you fucking moron.”
Seriously, the way Jon’s written is so aggravating.
I don’t get what he’s trying to accomplish. Yes yes, chaos is a ladder, blah blah blah, but he’s put all his eggs in the Stark basket at this point. Cersei would put his head on the chopping block and I don’t think Dany has much use for him. Varys would probably advise her to get rid of Littlefinger.
I’m surprised no one has mentioned that the dead seem to have a lot more consciousness than your typical undead. They did not like it at all when their bro was kicked.
There’s been no Littlefinger scenes that involve the discussion of, you know, the continent-spanning war going on right now. You’d think his plans might involve the Targaryen girl who’s going to take over the world, but instead he’s too busy fucking with Arya.
Here’s what I want to know – after the wight-bear attack, why didn’t Jon’s Suicide Squad turn around and go home? They had two fresh redshirt corpses (and eventually Thoros) who would’ve reanimated as zombies by the next morning, so, mission accomplished. Thoros-wight would’ve been an even bigger boon since he’s someone that Jamie & Cersei would probably recognize.
Littlefinger’s gonna Littlefinger. At this point he probably sees the Dany/Stark alliance will eventually overthrow the Iron Throne, so now he’s just dicking around to amuse himself. He just isn’t Littlefinger if he isn’t screwing with someone just for his own amusement. And I totally disagree with those who think Arya’s got some con game of her own going on, that’s completely out of character for her.
The phrase is make do, and to anyone but an American, due and do are pronounced differently.
I’ll grant you Gendry, but as said above, in our real world pigeons can fly several hundred miles in 12 hours.And if Dragons fly at 200-300 Knots (cruise speed of a WW2 fighter)then its doable.
IIRC, at -20C a lake takes four days to freeze enough to take the weight of humans. So its been at least a day if not more between the stranding on the lake (which happened well after Gendry ran away).
As for the NK attacking them with ranged weapons, they were out of range. You try throwing something on a flat trajectory (the only way he was going to hit them) and see how far it goes versus a parabolic arc. When Drogon was there, the choice is between targetig the aware Dragon, who can see you, and who is out of effective range, versus taregting the low slow and oblivious Dragon who can be hit easily with a parabolic arc.
You think it’s plausible for Dany to grab a spike on a moving beast’s back and have 300 mph freezing winds in her face for hours?
You think it’s possible for flying reptiles to breath fire, for ice monsters created by elves to be able to reanimate the dead, for a priest to be able to full on revive them, for a priestess to have sex with a Throne claimant and give birth to a shadow monster and also wear an amulet to give her eternal youth?
Dang avoiding the effects of wind blast (which be mitigated by her and Drogon’s posture, his face and neck would divert a portion of it) is less believable than her being immune to fire?
Sure. It’s established that she’s immune to fire. We have to accept it as part of the premise. But as far as we can tell, riding her dragon is subject to normal rules of physics.
If he flew a thousand miles per hour, or three thousand miles per hour, that would be objectionable, yes? At least without establishing that he has a magic bubble that keeps her safe.
So if given the choice of believing that there’s a totally unestablished, unmentioned magical power that lets her fly 300 mph on the back of the dragon or writers of the show don’t give a fuck about plausibility when setting up this scene rather then the latter is more plausible and magical explanations to the contrary are a fanwank.
You have to assume that the rules of the universe make sense except where you’re told they don’t as part of the premise. Otherwise if Littlefinger starts shooting fire out of his fingertips next episode, are you gonna say “eh, what are you gonna do, beric was resurrected, the show has dragons, anything is fair game”
the other people also rode on the dragon to Eastwatch so it must not be that hard.
Please, superhero movies still feature superheroes saving falling people by catching them while flying in the opposite direction, thus creating MORE force than if they’d just hit the ground. I’m not going to sweat Dany’s immunity to windblast.
Planes which flew at 200 mph had open cockpits. 300 is not particularly faster. And if we say Drogon flew at 200, still possible:
The issue is not likelihood. It’s plausibility. The show displays a raven being sent and a dragon returning with a turban around time of a day. Yes as displayed it’s plausible.
It was also to establish that killing a White Walker shuts down the dead that the Walker raised.
I guess it’s going to be Charlie from now on, since that’s what he’s called in the recap: http://imgur.com/gallery/CwtzC