[Moderating]
It is not mentioned by name, nor is any significance given to it. You may not mention any knowledge about its significance or backstory that came from the books. You may only mention knowledge about it that has been presented in the TV show.
You may discuss the part of Maggy’s prophecy that appears in the TV show, but not the verse that does not appear in the show.
Colibri
But the people she got stabby with were people who:
A) Had it coming
B) Were actively opposed to her
She has not been capricious when it comes to being all murdery. She, as far as I can remember, has only been nailing people up who deserved it.
Ok, maybe not Dickon Tarly (happens in the show). But while she ignored her advisors and melted him anyway she had given him options.
Look, I am not saying she isn’t getting a little power mad. She is. Just saying as she approaches her goal for years that she has done nothing but work towards maybe telling her you are not really on her side and we have a better claimant to the throne is not the best move.
I mean, just wait till after the battle to tell her fer chrissake.
[Moderating]
Once again, the “Horn of Winter” is not mentioned in the TV show by name, only an old horn of unknown significance is shown. If you want to discuss that, take it to the book thread.
Colibri
I gave an example above when she incinerated a head of one of the great houses of Mereen at random when she didn’t know he was guilty of anything, either as revenge for the killing of Barristan Selmy or to instill terror in to the other heads of houses.
My apologies. I thought it had, because I remembered the scenes with the horn. I didn’t remember that it wasn’t named. And that really could be a spoiler if it turns out to be important in the upcoming episodes. So my apologies to the thread.
I would like to give an example as to why something nominally in the show should not mean it’s fair game to introduce out of show information about it.
At Joffrey’s wedding, we’re supposed to wonder who poisoned Joffrey. Show watchers are not given enough information, and the reveal later is dramatic.
However, some people rushed to the show threads to pretend to figure it out, to say how smart they are even though they’re just going from book knowledge.
Other book readers basically said come on dude, don’t spoil it.
Then the oh so clever book readers said “no! It’s in the show! Look at this screenshot where Lady Olenna grabs Sansa’s necklace! So not a book spoiler!”
Those people were clearly jerkish. They knew they were giving away an important plot point, but hid behind “no there was a quick, subtle shot to show it! Part of the show!”
Calling a horn the show never made a big deal of 6 seasons ago that no one remembers “the Horn of Winter” and describing its magical powers and how it may be significant is the same sort of thing. Sure, it’s “in the show” but you know what you’re doing and it’s jerkish and also there’s a thread for exactly that that kind of observation that would be the perfect place to post it.
That’s not necessarily a good thing. Jaqen (and the Faceless Men in general) are not on anybody’s side, only Death. So his interest would be just in killing as many as possible regardless of side.
Moderating
I made a ruling, partly at your request, to drop the whole subject of book vs TV. We don’t need to belabor it further.
Colibri
If they reintroduce the faceless men at this point it would be a mess. What they are and what they believe has at least 3 different, mutually incompatible explanations. They’d be better off just leaving that story dead rather than trying to work it into the final episodes.
Mereen was a slave state. To be a head of it was, ipso facto, the kind of people Dany wanted gone. He would not be in the position he was if he was not a part of the problem she sought to be rid of.
Sure, it is not modern due process but neither was it some random Joe off the street.
And apart from that I do agree power corrupts and Daenerys has succumbed to it same as anyone but, so far, she has had good advisors pulling back and, so far, she has (mostly) backed-off from the worst impulses.
She is in a dangerous spot now, between the light and the dark side. I fear she will perceive another betrayal and it will push her over the edge (such as Tyrion going to speak with Cersei at the end of Season 7…she had refused the agreement till he talked with her and then poof Cersei walks back out and “agrees” to everything…almost certainly to get Daenerys to leave which I suspect Tyrion pointed out to her).
Fair enough. Whack-a-Mole is still asking questions about what’s fair game. I thought my example was the perfect explanation as to why “it’s shown in the show” shouldn’t make all book knowledge about it fair game. I was hoping to put the whole topic to rest.
But I won’t bring this up again. I know moderating these things is a pain in the ass sometimes, so thank you.
I’m not sure that B) qualifies as a moral out. There are lots of villains in history who only killed people who actively opposed them. And she has clearly used terror on the population - not just the dragon lunch, but that’s exactly what rows of heads on pikes are for: To instil fear in part of the population. And she did burn the Tarleys alive after they were her captives and no longer a threat.
Also, don’t forget that Tyrion has had to talk her down from simply getting on her dragon and burning random towns in Westeros. He even had to remind her that burning places down would make her exactly like the Mad King. And she was just a whisker away from going there. If dragons had whiskers.
Okay, that I agree with wholeheartedly. It was stupid to tell her before the battle, but it was Stark-Stupid, and therefore within character for Jon. Stark honor probably demanded that he tell her as soon as possible, and definitely before the battle because she had to know even if he dies, because it’s the truth. The Stark stupidity means he can’t budge an inch even if it’s really trivial and telling her could throw her off and therefore endanger the fight for survival of the entire continent and maybe the world.
So yeah, it could have waited until after the celebratory dinner, assuming there is one. If not, who cares?
Naw…
The Faceless Men are not into random killings.
Remember they get mad at Arya for killing someone she should not have. Back in the Faceless Men temple they demand a life for a life (kind of a tag line of theirs) and then someone looking like Jaqen drinks poison and drops dead (when you think they will make Arya pay for her transgression…so weird). But then we see it is not Jaqen. It is no one. 
So they are not really down with random murder and mayhem.
Sure. She gets pissed. She’s human (fireproof but presumably human otherwise).
It reminds me a little of Robespierre in the French Revolution. At the outset the guy had some pretty noble ideals. Trying to make France a better place. But it just never works out, there is always “someone” thwarting things so he becomes ever more draconian in his efforts to get people in line.
I think Daenerys was on the same path. She started with noble ideals but somehow few were falling into line with the Big Plan. Time to start knocking some heads.
But I will go back to that she let her advisors pull her back from even worse. Something the likes of her dad or Cersei would never do.
We do see in the last episodes that she is becoming less confident in Tyrion (The Hand). Mormont tries to pull her back from that. We will have to see how that goes.
I agree with this. Stark stupid is a special kind of stupid (Tyrion berates Jon for not knowing when he should lie and this is another example).
I’d just say you have plenty of enemies knocking on the gates. Maybe waiting a few hours to make a new one is the wise move.
I thought, and said so at the time, that Jon refusing to take Cersei’s deal was false drama. Obviously he could’ve said “I’m willing to do that deal if it’s cool with Dany” not “eat a dick you’re not my queen!”
That wasn’t even honest fallout from a Stark being too stubborn. That was just being dumb so Cersei could dramatically storm off. And a false dichotomy - the choices weren’t just to lie or turn down the deal.
That was the character serving the plot rather than the plot deriving from the characters. Bad writing.
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I am not sure if that can happen in Stark-world. But even if it was bad writing it doesn’t change what I was saying.
Tyrion goes to talk with Cersei. We almost certainly miss some of that conversation because when they are talking we never see Cersei ready to agree to the deal Daenerys came with.
Then poof Cersei is walking out and agrees to it all and Tyrion is miraculously not dead.
It is almost certain Tyrion pointed out to her that Daenerys and her dragons and Unsullied will not leave unless Cersei agrees to fight the White Walkers. Cersei very much wants Daenerys and company gone so “agrees” to the truce. Cersei knows it is bullshit. Tyrion knows it is bullshit.
Cersei wasn’t getting there on her own. Tyrion almost certainly pointed it out to her. And if it went down that way Daenerys WILL see it as a betrayal.
Add that to Sansa telling her the north will not bend the knee and Jon basically telling her he has the better claim (not his words but she will realize that) and you have one unhappy Daenerys .
Bran says that many times the Night King has come for the Three Eyed Ravens. Why did no one ask him how they thwarted the Night King in the past or even how men fended him off successfully?
Maybe she will fight bravely for the living, riding her dragon. Then if she survives she will go right back to Winterfell and say, “Now, about that knee…” With Drogon leering behind her.
Then it will get interesting.