In the TV show Maggy does not mention the valonqar killing Cersei. She does tell Cersei that she will have three children who will die though which leads me to question whether Cersei is really pregnant right now (if she is, and we buy the prophecy which has held till now, then Cersei either has to miscarry or die before giving birth).
Cite that Sam kept it? They completely ignore it in that scene, remarking only on the dragonglass. In the Wiki on the TV show, they only call it an “old warhorn,” and it’s only referred to as being in that episode.
I seriously doubt it will turn up again if it hasn’t been seen or referred to in the past five seasons.
If it’s not in the TV show, it shouldn’t be discussed in this thread.
I do not think it is her becoming corrupt.
I think it is that Dany’s driving fire in her life was getting back to the Iron Throne. She says as much to Sansa (IIRC). She is closer than she has ever been and despite she all she has overcome yet more roadblocks seem to pileup in her way to that goal.
If you spent the better part of your life driven by a singular goal and overcame seemingly impossible odds, more than once, and you got tantalizingly close to your goal I suspect you’d be less than tolerant of getting pulled away because someone else told you that, actually, they have a better claim by birth.
I wanted to scream when Sansa was telling her she really was not keen on answering to Dany as ruler of the Seven Kingdoms or Jon telling her that, it not so many words, he has a better claim to the throne because he is a Targaryen. I mean, WTF!? The zombies are outside your freaking door and two people tell the one person with the most powerful army there that they are probably the most likely roadblock left to the ONE thing she has been after all along?
Freaking genius. :rolleyes:
Also remember that in the House of the Undying (this was all in the TV show BTW) Dany was told she would be betrayed three times. Once for blood, once for gold and once for love. Blood was Mirri Maz Duur, gold was probably Jorah Mormont and the love one is still out there. That has to be in her mind.
That the prophecy in question was in the show is relevant. It neglected a part, I was answering someone else who mentioned it.
Trying to prise apart the show from the books isn’t easy since the show is based closely on those books. Wondering what will happen can be informed by the books.
Also, this is early books. Maggy’s prophecy was mentioned in “A Storm of Swords” published in 2000. That was some 19 years ago. What are the rules on spoilers? If I say, “Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker’s father” have I broken some taboo? Surely there is a limit on spoilers and I would submit that whatever it is 19 years is well past the limit.
Do you realize that the current episodes are waaaay ahead of the books? There is NOTHING from the books that can possibly spoil this season?
Not seeing what the fuss is about.
For fucks sake, are you guys really not seeing how the show only rule served to keep these threads on track for 7 years? Now in year we’re going to have the 97th person declare they can determine what’s a spoiler and anyone who sticks to the tv show threads exactly to avoid that can go fuck themselves?
If you want to use book knowledge to prove how smart you are by predicting the ending there’s a perfect thread for exactly that purpose.
Someone else mentioned it. I responded noting what WAS IN THE SHOW.
What is your problem?
You are actively breaking rules we came to a consensus on a long time ago which massively increased the quality of the threads. Now you’re trying to justify your behavior with an infantile analogy and a declaration that you get to decide what a spoiler is or what’s fair game in this thread. We’ve gone down this path of a bickering train wreck several times and actually managed to get it under control for 6 years. I’ll leave it at that. I know mods hate these threads but without stomping out this sort of bullshit at the first sign it gets ugly.
Follow along…
Someone else mentioned something from the books. I did not bring it up.
I noted that part of what was mentioned was actually in the show. Click on that link, see for yourself. Your rules. It was in the show. I can mention it.
The one word used is a made up word from a made up language in a made up universe. If you do not Google it then it is gibberish…literally. If you read the book and know what it means then it is not a spoiler. If you didn’t read the books but mean to then it is gibberish till you get to that part so not a spoiler.
I messed up in my fist post in this thread and apologized. Since then I have noted the things I am talking about are in the show.
The only thing spoiling this is you.
You just goddamn mentioned something - the Horn - that is significant in the books but up to now has appeared for two seconds five years ago in the TV show and proposed that it could be critical in the next episode. That’s a potential huge spoiler. It doesn’t matter if it is in the past in the books if it could affect things in the future of the show. I don’t see how you can’t realize that.
As someone who hasn’t read the books, I find it very annoying when people mention things from the books that haven’t appeared in the TV show, because I start wondering whether it was on the show and I missed or forgot it. There’s a whole other thread for that. If you want to discuss book theories, take it there and don’t annoy those who don’t.
The other people in the thread were also breaking the no books rule but I try not to Jr Mod it and hope it goes away. This does not absolve you. I only did finally post because you were displaying the sort of hostile, condescending attitude that almost always leads to trainwreck threads as we saw all through season one. You are being a jerk and you know it.
I won’t post further on this. Hopefully the mods can handle it.
So Podrick can sing, has a massive schlong and he knows his Dornish houses.
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I’d normally leave this to the forum mods to handle, but since neither seems to be on line at the moment, in the interest of keeping the peace I’m going to issue instructions for all to drop the subject. It’s been a longstanding policy in these threads not to discuss the books in the TV show thread. Let’s continue with that.
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If Podrick defeats the night king with his lovemaking skills and saves the world it will at least have been well established.
He doesn’t have a massive dong though. Ros specifically says he’s average when Varys is curious about it.
Podrick just has crazy game. He probably even treated the prostitutes like they were human beings.
We don’t know what Podrick’s actual secret with the ladies is. All we know that three whores in Littlefinger’s brothel enjoyed their session with him so much that they refused payment, much to Tyrion and Bronn’s astonishment.
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Oh, I like the horn of winter theory. And here we have both Sam and Tyrion in the crypts together, just after Tyrion spent the night doing a brain dump of the Three Eyed Raven. The two of them will almost certainly be up to something. The Horn of Winter is a good something.
Also, I have a suspicion that Arya’s running in the crypt isn’t what we think it is - her being attacked by the dead in the crypt, I guess. It’s equally likely that she could be running from the battle and into the crypt, because it looks like the battle is lost. Or, it could be after the battle and they’ve won - and then Jaq’en appears to collect the face of a girl now that she is no longer needed to help defeat the army of the dead.
One other scenario I was considering - the living surprisingly defeat the dead at Winterfell, but the Night’s King never shows up. Then they realize that the Winterfell battle was a diversion and the AoD are simply going around them and heading south. Cersei’s final scene as the dead flow through King’s Landing and start banging on the doors of the Red Keep is to turn to Pycell and say, “Burn them all”. And up goes the Army of the Dead, Cersei, and the Iron Throne. Daeneris becomes Queen of the Ashes.
I re-watched “A Knight of the Seven Kingdoms” tonight and realized that nobody died in this episode. No main characters, no secondary or tertiary characters, no walk-on one-line characters, no nameless extras in the background. Nobody.
In fact, nobody so much as stubbed a toe or got a paper cut.
Could this have been the most remarkably violence-free episode in the entire series?
So asking for a ruling:
The Horn of Winter is shown in the TV show.
Same with Maggy’s prophecy to Cersei. It is in the show.
Are we allowed to talk about it and speculate about it as long as we do not mention any reference to the books?
As for Daeneris’s turn towards evil, I think she was always there. GRRM did a good job of masking just how authoritarian and ruthless she is by having her early campaigns be against people far worse. It’s easy to overlook a few heads on pikes or dragon lunches when you are freeing people from slavery. It’s a lot harder when the people are doing fine without her and really don’t want her benevolent help if it comes with being forced to bend the knee in supplication.
The fact that Daeneris darkened and withdrew from Sansa when Sansa rightly pointed out that they are people who lost their right to rule just as much as the Targaryans did, tells you that Daeneris isn’t at all about ‘breaking the wheel’, but simply being a more just wheel-master.
I actually think that if she’s going to follow her father and go mad, it could easily be triggered by a paranoid belief that she is with a hostile people telling her lies about her right to the throne while needling her about her right to rule them in the first place. I could see one more provocation, misunderstanding, or refusal to yield push her over the edge at some point, perhaps right after the battle is over - if she’s still alive.
But she’s only been kind and generous and thoughtful to the people closest to her. Remember, she loved Khal Drogo, and his only purpose for living was to rape and pillage and see his son be the Stallion that Mounted the World. That doesn’t sound fun for the World. And she was totally okay with that until he died.