At this point they are trolling.
I’m like 90% sure she did it while sparing with Brienne last season.
Being accurate is trolling?:rolleyes:
We saw it earlier this season when Arya was reunited with Brienne.
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Not remotely?
“There are three living smiths who know how to rework Valyrian steel.”
I’m sorry if that’s not clear enough for you. It seems pretty clear to me. Rework as in take a sword and turn it into something else.
I know it’s fun, but it’s not mandatory.
So I’ll continue.
No, we don’t get a detailed manual on the manufacture and properties of Valyrian steel. At the time of Tywin’s conversation, its properties against White Walkers aren’t known. Jon discovers this later at Hardhome to his surprise. Since Valyrian steel was made in Essos long after the Long Night, we don’t know that it has ever been used against White Walkers before, and its properties against them are fortuitous. The First Men and the Children apparently only used dragonglass. (If you want to nitpick further, we don’t absolutely know before this episode that any other Valyrian steel weapons but Jon’s are effective against White Walkers. Maybe House Mormont had some special spell cast on Longclaw because they lived so far north. And at the end of the night, we still don’t know that any Valyrian steel weapon but Jon’s and Arya’s work this way, and will never know.) The idea that killing the Night King can be done with any Valyrian steel weapon and that this will take out his whole army is based on a string of assumptions, not all of which were made explicit, but which turned out to be true.
However, the show clearly implies that there is something special about the manufacture of Valyrian steel that gives it these properties. Not everything in the show is explicit. If it were actually important to the plot to have multiple weapons made out of the existing material by regular smiths, then we would have been told so and Gendry would have been put to work doing it.
Jesus Christ.
Ok, hypothetical. You melt Valyrian steel and pour it into a sword, but you don’t know the heat treatment and temper. The sword is brittle and unusable as a weapon, but the alloy is unchanged. This is completely within the realm of actual metallurgy and within the scope of “only 3 people know how to rework Valyrian steel” and any shmuck can melt Valyrian steel with it remaining Valyrian steel.
Agreed.
Agreed.
I don’t think Gendry could turn any of the 5 weapons into a different sword, nor do I think it would be advantageous to try to do so. Any effort would not result in the quality that Valyrian steel weapons are known for. It might be brittle and not keep and edge well. Doesn’t mean the material is different (many metals have different properties with different heat treatments).
Could he create a brittle piece of Valyrian steel that a handful of people in the world could finish into a weapon we are accustomed to? Nothing in the show contradicts that. Could he create small brittle pieces that could function as arrowheads, but aren’t extraordinary other than having the White Walking killing property? Nothing in the show contradicts that.
Reworking one large sword into two smaller swords does not involve melting the sword and pouring it into molds. You cut it into two pieces, heat each until glowing, and forge with a hammer. No melting required.
Giants are not typically known for intellectual prowess.
In the show it was melted and poured into molds.
Regardless, point doesn’t change. Heating it up destroys the heat treatment, which is the part very few people know how to do and what makes the weapons desirable.
I loved the episode. We didn’t have any problems with the episode being too dark, we watched at night in a dark room on a plasma TV that has really good contrast though.
I agree that it generally falls apart under fine-toothed plot-combing, but it was a solid action romp with our heroes doing hero things. Random thoughts…
- We thought the Night King must be Targaeryan, standing in the dragon fire like that. I suspect the writers will ignore any follow-up though.
- The winter storm was an excellent tactic to blind the dragons and reduce their effectiveness.
- Sam Tarly was wasted, fumbling about constantly overwhelmed, not a sliver of heroism, yet survives.
- Arya’s magic leap out of the darkness could have been setup better with call-backs to her early Winterfell days of climbing trees and roofs.
- Too many simultaneous last-hero-moments with everyone being overwhelmed at the same instant.
- Bran was wasted, given all of the prior seasons of significance build-up. We needed him to do more than just worg into some ravens. I’d hoped he would take over a dragon, or take over Theon, or something to justify all of the plot fuss spent on him.
- I loved all of the siege and army tactics, it looked like a good calculated multi-wave approach to delaying the enemy horde in hopes of drawing out their big-bad. Especially good were the Unsullied ranks shifting about in organized delay retreat.
- I didn’t like the dead in the crypts sequence. The fodder dead have been set up as being more-or-less normal strength, but the ones in the crypts can punch their way through thick stone sarcophagapodes?
- The Hound’s fear of fire and yet-another-breakdown felt trite, like the writers have dismissed the heroic growth in his character.
We’ve had the better part of 2 pages on this, this thread hijacking is absurd.
Last try…Valyrian Steel is more than just it’s composition. It’s not just a ratio of metals and additives. Melting it down fundamentally changes it’s structure and presumably alters or destroys the magic within.
As has been stated multiple times earlier in the thread, the closest real-world analogy is Damascus steel. If you take a Damascus knife and melt it down and create a billet, you no longer have a “Damascus” steel billet. You have a plain old steel billet with no special qualities whatsoever.
Funny, complain about a hijack and then continue the hijack.
Your assumption that Valyrian steel works the same as Damascus steel is just an assumption. Other resources available disagree with your interpretation.
In any case, yours is an assumption that is not proven in the show. Which is all that was ever said about this, which is apparently very irritating to some people.
The show illustrated this differently…for what it’s worth.
I’ve been giving a lot of thought to the sucsession rules and CK2…were Dany and her brother not on the run, her brother would have been crowned. When he died SHE would have been crowned cause they didn’t know about Jon. Even IF everyone knew about everyone…given Rhaegar divorced his wife…its got civil war written all over it. Now throw in shit like Jon took the black and died and came back
Jon…just bow out. Stay north and become king of the north if Dany lets you.
Also…unless they do a 500 years later bit…I don’t see why there cant be a sequel down the line. Fans would scream seeing a fan favorite do a cameo in a prequel 25 years from now.
The book, the show and George himself are all unambiguous on the fact that Valyrian Steel cannot just be melted down and recast by normal means. There is no gray area here. The original premise is directly contradicted by the source material…have no idea what’s left to debate.
This thread has successfully been killed. It’s been great fun.
Not even remotely implied in the show. You can Um Ackshually the hell out of it but the fact remains that the show writers decided to make VS special. Call it magic call it whatever but according to the show it can’t be worked like normal steel. If you want to write fan fiction using your own made up facts go right ahead. Using the facts of the show VS is magic and has its own rules.
Maisie Williams during an interview on what happened after the table read where she first learned Arya would be the one to kill the Night King.
“And then I told my boyfriend and he was like, ‘Mmm, should be Jon though really, shouldn’t it?”
Oof.