This is the stuff. Nothing too fancy, just solid strategy and common sense. Would’ve been so easy to make it good. Why can’t the showrunners hire just one person like Gorsnak?
Ellaria Sand.
I imagine Theon was there as well for the eunuchs.
They never say it’s not Valyrian steel anymore, just that it’s nearly impossible to rework. Maybe it has the same White Walker killing properties, but only 3 people can rework it to have a good edge on it.
Curious if a blunt dragonglass or Valyrian steel weapon would kill White Walkers, or if you need penetration.
I would have fought an 1812 style campaign. Jon orders everybody alive OUT of the path of the Army of the Dead. They using the Dothraki, Dragons and the Unsullied, fight multiple smaller pitched battles against the NK. Depleting his Army. Burning every keep and everyone useful.
As they NK approaches Winterfell, Jon, like Marshal Kutuzov at Borodino, gives battle, OUTSIDE Winterfell. It’s an epic clash, and many are dead, and the living retreat, but since the Dragons are pretty efficient at burning, the NK ability to replenish his losses is limited.
We see a council of war at Winterfell, like the Kivshenkos painting.
There is a lot of argument about what to do. The majority wish to make a stand at Winterfell. Camera cuts to Jon.
Next scene sees the NK and his followers entering an abandoned Winterfell. Right after they enter, a fire starts and the place begins to burn down, catching several wights.
We see the remainder of the Army of the living.
Ends.
My personal preferred version would be that they had cut out all the Night King stuff from the beginning.
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The whole thing didn’t really matter much in the end. Could’ve been cut, and the rest of the plot kept the same.
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The white walkers in particular didn’t do a single thing, I think.
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It gave us many boring scenes with Bran, that all turned out not really to matter.
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We would’ve been spared the stupid and ridiculous expedition to catch a wight, and the silly save.
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We wouldn’t have this highly unsatisfactory situation, where a threat has been built up over 6 seasons, and ends up with no big consequences.
But failing that, a version like Gorsnaks, preferably where more than half of the named characters died, would’ve been acceptable.
As it is, this is for me the episode where I finally don’t care about Game of Thrones anymore.
Since the Fist of the First Men I’ve always assumed valyrian steel is made by somehow combining iron with dragon glass and somehow heating the material using dragon fire while it’s being forged. I always thought that would be a cool addition to the show’s magic system and I was hoping they would go that direction once they had Gendry, dragon glass and dragons all at Winterfell. Alas, it was not to be.
Yeah, it’s called “circle behind the ballistas and light them up with dragon fire”
So I managed to “see” a lot more of the episode on a rewatch in a room with the lights off, and one thing did strike me as completely weird.
Sam. Was he kind of lying on top of a pile of dead bodies stabbing from side to side and crying? By far one of the more bizarre moments of a quite bizarre episode.
“My new fighting technique is unstoppable”?
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That’s tactics, not strategy.
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Damn straight.
Drogon makes a few demonstration passes opposite the Gate of the Gods, staying out of range of the walls and strafing targets of opportunity. Get a little panic going. When everybody is focused on that, Raegal swoops in low over the bay and melts the battlements on that side of the Red Keep. Do this at night to keep any anti-dragon fire to a minimum. Then both dragons can sweep in unopposed to blast the Red Keep into slag. Night attacks against field armies would be very effective as well.
Women:
Danaerys, Missandei, Olenna, Yara, Ellaria Sand. Yara and Ellaria were lovers, and it was indicated that they both had other lovers of both sexes. Danaerys might have been involved with one of her handmaidens at one point but it wasn’t made explicit. And Missandei wasn’t exactly in a conventional heterosexual relationship with Grey Worm.
Eunuchs: Varys, Grey Worm, Theon.
:smack:Sheesh. Will you guys just go with what the show says and implies about it? The question was originally raised by someone who knew nothing about it with respect to the rather silly idea of making arrowheads out of it. And at this point its properties regarding White Walkers are pretty much irrelevant.
I forgot about Yara and Ellaria being lovers. Indeed, I blocked out all the sandsnake stuff and possibly most of Season 6.
Whatever dude, you made a broader claim than there is evidence for and then implied people were dense for not agreeing with you. That’s not the fault of other people.
Next episode they all die of the plague from all the fleas on the rats attracted to the dead bodies.
So that “drop the weapon” ninja move was also done by Rey in The Last Jedi. Have we seen it before in GOT?
I thought it was a fairly decent episode. I can’t imagine the amount of work that must have gone into it. The re-watch was much better for me because I had more of an idea of what was going on and what to look out for.
I had no expectations for major twists or trope breaking like some people here. It was fairly obvious that the NK must die and how. By whom was the only question.
So if Jon was not the destined killer of the NK, why was he resurrected? To unite the armies?
Yeah, it was too dark and foggy. I re-watched it in the dark and that helped some. The close ups and quick switches between action scenes were sometimes disorientating but at least they didn’t use dizzy/shaky cam (that I saw).
I think the pacing was a bit off sometimes and it dragged a bit. As people have said, one too many “they are surely going to die this time” scenes, only for them not to, again.
It does seems unrealistic that anyone would have survived, given the number of zombies. Perhaps expecting realism in a world with zombies, dragons, magic etc. is… asking too much?
From an eye-candy perspective, some of the visuals were pretty sweet though, such as the lighting of the Dothraki swords, their charge and disappearance. That scene where the dragons go above the fog in the moonlight was cool looking in my opinion. The undead dragon at the end looked badass and straight out of an AD&D game.
I am just mad that Gilly, my least favorite character, was not torn apart and devoured by crypt zombies.
That’s because you weren’t following the conversation.
The dragons are very hungry.
It’s not about not agreeing with him. It’s not agreeing with the show. You can make the argument that the show reality is stupid but you can’t argue that it isn’t reality. The show sets up that Valyrian steel can’t be reworked except under exceptional circumstances. That’s it. The only way to change that is to become a writer on the show. And travel back in time.
He said that if you melt Valyrian steel it’s no longer Valyrian steel. The show did not say that, not remotely. That’s what is being objected to. I am not at all contradicting the show.
Nitpicking to death irrelevant points isn’t mandatory, you know.
I’m pretty sure that’s in the SDMB terms of service.