My issue is how the hell Euron can sneak up on a fleet that has air cover in daytime on a clear day while sailing with great big, black sails.
They should never have been able to surprise the dragons.
Not to mention Euron has a real knack for finding people in the ocean. I mean, even if you know where your enemy is starting and ending and, roughly, the course they will take finding people at sea is hard. Ask the U-Boat captains in WWII.
Not to mention all Daenerys had to do was fly Drogon behind Euron’s ships and nuke them. Their forward firing crossbows could not fire backwards.
I get it is TV and does not need to be hyper-accurate but freaking Euron is Johnny-on-the-spot over and over and over. It strains credulity even for TV.
Is Danny going to put some armor on that last dragon now? Its the only way I can think of for her to light up the city after seeing all those ballistas surrounding the city.
How did the dragons not see the Iron Fleet? And I don’t buy that massive honkin’ ballistas could be aimed or reloaded that quickly or that they’re that accurate or that each missile would take out a good chunk of a ship.
I know that they need to even up the odds, but that ain’t the way.
Loved Missandei’s final word. I had her pegged as a double-agent in the early seasons. Thought for sure Tyrion was gonna get pincushioned for a minute there.
Ghost survived the battle of Winterfell, minus most of an ear, and Jon’s dragon survived. And poof, they’re both out again. Shit happens, I guess.
Liked seeing Brienne drunk and happy. Didn’t much like seeing her heartbroken, especially over Jaime. But hopefully, Jaime’s going to butcher his sister to balance out some of the shit he’s done for her.
Yeah…but at least KL is real close to Dragonstone. when he appeared behind Cersei…I was like WTF, but then I remembered how close it is.
…and there is no armor that can stop a ballista like that. Im gonna guess Tyrion tries to lead a sneak attack through his secret entrances to take out the ballista…either Jaime or Varys will betray him. Assuming Tyrion doesnt betray Dany.
Like Tyrion said, at some point you have to pick a side and stick with it. Whats Varys’ great plan??? How’s that worked out so far Varys??
Looks like our bittersweet ending is either Jon sitting on a lonely throne he doesn’t want or Dany sitting on a throne surrounded by people who don’t trust her, and the only way she can keep them in line is through fear.
Not a big reach to think Varys would end up getting himself killed. Plus they could have asked Jorah to do it. Basically Littlefinger’s proposition to Ned re: Joffrey. Lets see how it goes, and if he turns out to be a shit we kill him and advise the younger sibling.
I am not sure where I picked this up…here or somewhere else…but there seems to be a thing called “Stark Stupid”.
Jon and Sansa and what not are not stupid people but their Stark upbringing means they do stupid, avoidable shit in the name of being righteous.
Like Sansa antagonizing Daenerys right before the battle with the Night King. Maybe that could have waited 24 hours. Turns out it did not matter but it might have.
Or Jon telling Daenerys he really has a better claim to the throne right before the big battle (not in those words but that is what she heard). Again, wait 24 hours. You still have your honor intact but picked a better moment. If either or both died it is a moot point. If they both live the conversation is likely to go better when you are both on the high from winning a tough battle.
So, so many times with Robb and even back to Ned in season one.
Tyrion even chastises Jon for it at the end of season seven telling him he really needs to learn when to lie and Jon pushes back.
Bah. There will be no big battle. They already set that up burning King’s Landing is a bad idea. And while I appreciate the tension, it’s too late for Dany to be fighting the Starks. That won’t happen.
Jamie dies killing Cirsei, KL surrenders, both Jon and Dany forsake the iron throne, “breaking the wheel” and start up some type of democracy. A Snowflake falls in KL, timejump after winter, and everybody is living happy ever after, with Brienne looking after her son little Jamie.
Any idea of anything but happy endings and fan service went out the window last episode and was further cemented this one.
These guys are auditioning for Star Wars, no way this ends up with an effed up dark ending that most of the audience doesn’t want to see.
I agree in retrospect we’re supposed to understand that Varys meant the assassination plot to fail. But its failure was a pretty dicey proposition. How did Varys know that Jorah had become so smitten by Danaerys that he would decide to protect her rather than just be on his merry way once he received his pardon? How did he know that Jorah would arrive just in time to prevent Danaerys from being poisoned? If Jorah had decided to go off to take a leak at an inopportune time, she would have been dead. The whole thing depended on Varys being able to predict everyone’s actions and locations perfectly from a thousand miles away.
Its not really hard to imagine, Dany’s fleet did not have a whole lot of choice in where they were going to approach KL
Famous last words, we really dont know if the dragons actually seen the ships and said ,meh. It was up to Dany to see them and target prioritize.
Again, Euron is an asshole but he is a professional asshole. Dude did his job
She has to understand they are a threat, at best she is playing General and now she runs into professionals that are not going to be afraid of a bunch of lizards. She lost one Dragon, she is not going to lose both. That at least she did correctly.
I dunno…Dany had been counseled to not nuke King’s Landing and she seemed to only be just barely convinced of that till Cersei beheaded Missandei and we see Dany strutting off seemingly filled with resolve and really pissed off (not to mention another dragon, which she considers her children, died due to Cersei).
Dany does not seem keen on being “nice” anymore and she has been less and less willing to be swayed by her advisors.
Arya’s best shot at Cersei would be to go after Qyburn first and use his face to sneak past the Mountain and get close to her.
And I still think dragonglass-shrapnel/wildfire molotov cocktails should have been a thing.
It’s as simple as Euron is the only guy in the world who knows how to fight a naval war, or at least is head and shoulders above everyone else. With Theon’s sister away, all ships are to Dany is transportation.
Tyrion knows about it from Sansa, and he told Varys. So Jon (or possibly Bran) must have told Sansa that Dany knows, and she told that to Tryion.
Sansa was being Stark Stupid when she confronted Dany before the battle, but in telling Tyrion she was not. Instead of standing by her promise to Jon regardless of her self interest, which is what a Stark would do, she was being devious in order to undermine Danaerys to her advisors. It remains to be seen whether this is stupid or not, but for a change it was not Stark Stupid.
To be fair, “hit with the Stupid Stick” is a common cause of death in many a story, it is not unique to this one.
She was not really looking carefully, like LHOD mentioned, or “Ardennes forest” type failure of imagination where they did not expect such a force to come from *that *direction. But really, dragons or no dragons, Euron-the-Always-There or no Euron, ballistae or pelted with fish, the apparent expectation that they’d just sail in and land unopposed is just daft to begin with.
The world has had hundreds of years to think about dragons and Dany is a rookie at actually commanding them. I’m sure her ancestors would have done exactly as some have advised, circle around and take their rear. But she’s not a thinker. She’s passionate and she behaved exactly as someone pissed off would, and she would have died along with her dragon on that frontal attack if she hadn’t come to her senses.